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Five Dog

aka Kumadras

Bureaucrat Admin
  • I live in Arkaenum
  • I was born on April 23
  • My occupation is God
  • I am Dog

Greetings, friend! Welcome to my talk page. If you have anything to tell me or ask me, this would be the perfect place to do so! Just leave a comment below, and I'll respond on your talk page as soon as I can. Thanks!

Here are some general tips, in case you're interested:

  • Signing a page with four tildes (~~~~) will leave your signature the exact time you made the edit. You can change your signature at any time on your Preferences page.
    • Use this when signing your comments on talk pages, like this one!
    • Don't use this when you're editing an article.
  • Using a colon ( : ) will indent things put behind it.

Example:
Hey there!
:Hi.
::Do you think Five Dog is cool?
:::Yeah I think he's great, like other admins, and you?
::::I think he's helpful, too!

This would result in...

Hey there!

Hi.
Do you think Five Dog is cool?
Yeah, I think he's great, like other admins, and you?
I think he's helpful, too!

You can keep adding colons to your heart's content! Generally, you use these to signify that the comment is meant to be in reply to another. If you're replying to a reply, just add one colon to however many the above reply had.

  • Want to speak instantly with other members of the Left 4 Dead Wiki? Activate the shout box! In the Community box in the sidebar, click on Widgets. This will open a list of widgets you can add. Look for Shout Box and click the green plus sign next to it. This will add that widget onto the sidebar. Of course, you can always add any of the other widgets, and move them around as much as you'd like. Take a look around at what's there, add what you'd think will come in handy!
    • Five Dog has Community, Recent changes, Shout box, and Active talk pages active in the sidebar.

If you have any other questions, this would be a great place to leave them! Thanks for stopping by. --Five Dog Talk 13:37, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

2010 Edit

L4D3 Edit

Five dog, I've heard that valve has started working on L4D3, and if so, does his worship have any Ideas?

-Blowb >:D (talk) 21:35, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

IT'S A TRAP! People think they're funny by giving Ideas for L4D3. The only reason is to make fun of L4D2 being released so quickly after L4D1. VALVe haven't given any info about a 3rd Game in the L4D Series. Nor have they confirmed or denied it. We'll hafta wait a bit longer until we can start thoughts about that. But yeah. Anything you find on L4D3 is mostly Fan-Made, not VALVe-made. 94.195.236.134 21:57, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Talk page Edit

dude!! what happened to your talk page? --Legofan94 19:42, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

I archived it. :P --Five Dog TalkRead 19:45, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Box ad on main page Edit

Hi Five Dog. A few days ago I left the following message on Jo's talk page, but so far she has chosen not to reply (and I checked to make sure she has logged on and/or edited since then). Anyway, here's the message:

Wikia will be activating the 300x250 box ad on the main page any day now, but before that happens, I wanted to slightly modify the main page formatting (add <mainpage-column> tags) so that the box ad won't push all the content down. Since you guys have that big Welcome area at the top, the simplest way to modify the page is to use the column tags just on that section. View the test page I made to see what it'll look like. Essentially, the only difference will be that the Welcome section will be "squeezed" to allow room for the extra ad. Everything else on the page will appear exactly the same. I wanted to run it by you first, so please reply on my talk page with any comments/questions you have after reading this message. Once you've given it the green light, I'll transfer the modification to the real main page. Thanks. JoePlay@fandom (talk) 21:01, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, the box ad will be seen by logged-in users, but only on the main page of course. All other pages will remain ad-free when logged in. JoePlay@fandom (talk) 00:41, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

HELP!!!!! Edit

HI! Can you remove my cousin's post at Talk:The Survivors----"What do you think?". I was so embarassed when I saw some strange post at Talk:The Survivors about her stupid ideas about an "upcoming L4D3" Oh man! Please help! Remove it please? For me, her ideas are USELESS.Left4deadgirl 08:10, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yo Five Dog! Edit

Hi! A user named "Phoenix Marathon" is superb annoying because his page have many crazy things like rude comments about other admins and saying that he's enemies with Jo The Marten (pretty rude). Can you block him forever? No one will ever need a user like him. xo.Christa.xo 13:53, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Button color customization Edit

Earlier on the irc you expressed interest in customizing the color of the green "Save page" "Preview" and "Create a new wiki" buttons. I scrounged up the code for it, and I can tell you what colors need to be changed. Basically, you would paste the following into the Left4Dead Wiki MediaWiki:Monaco.css, but change all of the color codes to what you want them to be.

I don't know any way to highlight the colors you will need to change, so I will just list them here with a demonstration of what each one is.


  1. 093
  2. 006722
  3. 2c802c
  4. beddbe

These are all Hexadecimal color codes. You can use an internet color chart to find color options to replace them with. When you know what colors you want to use, just search for the numbers in the section below and replace each one.

I may see you on the irc tomorrow, but if not, feel free to leave any questions you may have on my talk page.

Button color stuff
/*wikia-ui.css ("Save page" "Preview" and "Create a new wiki" button customizations)*/
#AccessSkipLink{
    position:absolute;
	text-indent: -9999px
}
a.wikia-button,
a.wikia-button:visited,
span.wikia-button a,
span.wikia-button a:visited,
input[type="submit"],input[type="reset"],input[type="button"],button{
    background-color:#093;
	background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(top, #093 20%, #006722 70%);
	background-image: -webkit-gradient(linear, 0% 20%, 0% 70%, from(#093), to(#006722));
	border:1px solid #beddbe;
	border-radius:7px;
	box-shadow:0 1px 0 #2c802c, 0 -1px 0 #2c802c, 1px 0 0 #2c802c, -1px 0 0 #2c802c;
	color:#FFF;
	cursor:pointer;
	display:inline-block;
	font:bold 12px/17px "Lucida Grande", sans-serif;
	height:17px;
	margin:0;
	padding:0 7px;
	text-decoration:none;
	white-space:nowrap;
	-moz-border-radius:7px;
	-webkit-border-radius:7px;
	-moz-box-shadow:0 0 0 1px #2c802c;
	-webkit-box-shadow:0 1px 0 #2c802c, 0 -1px 0 #2c802c, 1px 0 0 #2c802c, -1px 0 0 #2c802c
}
a.wikia-button.secondary,
a.wikia-button.secondary:visited,
span.wikia-button.secondary a,
span.wikia-button.secondary a:visited,
input[type="submit"].secondary,
input[type="reset"].secondary,
input[type="button"].secondary,
button.secondary{
    background-color:#CCC;
	background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(top, #CCC 20%, #AAA 70%);
	background-image: -webkit-gradient(linear, 0% 20%, 0% 70%, from(#CCC), to(#AAA));
	border-color:#E2E2E2;
	box-shadow:0 1px 0 #999, 0 -1px 0 #999, 1px 0 0 #999, -1px 0 0 #999;
	color:#333;
	-moz-box-shadow:0 0 0 1px #999;
	-webkit-box-shadow:0 1px 0 #999, 0 -1px 0 #999, 1px 0 0 #999, -1px 0 0 #999
}
a.wikia-button.big,
span.wikia-button.big a,
input[type="submit"].big,
input[type="reset"].big,
input[type="button"].big,
button.big{
    height:30px;
	font-size:15px;
	line-height:30px;
	padding:0 15px
}
input[type="submit"],
input[type="reset"],
input[type="button"],
button{
    height:19px
}
input[type="submit"].big,
input[type="reset"].big,
input[type="button"].big,
button.big{
    height:32px
}
input[type="submit"]::-moz-focus-inner,
input[type="reset"]::-moz-focus-inner,
input[type="button"]::-moz-focus-inner,
button::-moz-focus-inner{
    padding:0;
	border:0
}
a.wikia-button,
span.wikia-button a,
input[type="submit"],
input[type="reset"],
input[type="button"],
button{
    filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Gradient(GradientType=0, StartColorStr="#FF009933", EndColorStr="#FF006722");
	outline:1px solid #2c802c\9;
	overflow:visible;
	width:auto
}
a.wikia-button.secondary,
span.wikia-button.secondary a,
input[type="submit"].secondary,
input[type="reset"].secondary,
input[type="button"].secondary,
button.secondary{
    filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Gradient(GradientType=0, StartColorStr="#FFCCCCCC", EndColorStr="#FFAAAAAA");
	outline:1px solid #999\9
	}
a.wikia-button:hover,
span.wikia-button a:hover,
input[type="submit"]:hover,
input[type="reset"]:hover,
input[type="button"]:hover,
button:hover{
    text-decoration:none;
	text-shadow:#000 0 1px 1px
}
a.wikia-button.secondary:hover,
span.wikia-button.secondary a:hover,
input[type="submit"].secondary:hover,
input[type="reset"].secondary:hover,
input[type="button"].secondary:hover,
button.secondary:hover{
    text-shadow:#FFF 0 1px 1px
}
a.wikia-button:active,
span.wikia-button a:active,
input[type="submit"]:active,
input[type="reset"]:active,
input[type="button"]:active,
button:active{
    color:#FFF;
	background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(top, #006722 20%, #093 70%);
	background-image: -webkit-gradient(linear, 0% 20%, 0% 70%, from(#006722), to(#093))
}
a.wikia-button.secondary:active,
span.wikia-button.secondary a:active,
input[type="submit"].secondary:active,
input[type="reset"].secondary:active,
input[type="button"].secondary:active,
button.secondary:active{
    color:#333;
	background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(top, #AAA 20%, #CCC 70%);
	background-image: -webkit-gradient(linear, 0% 20%, 0% 70%,from(#AAA),to(#CCC))
}

~ Gardimuer { ʈalk } 06:33, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

the word you... Edit

seeming the POV policy on Metroid Wikia i've noticed that the term "you" is not allowed (does that mean other wikias too?), since this page [1] has it every couple sentences should we replace all "yous" with "it, him, her, boomer, spitter, etc." or should we make a category called "Guides" to make it an appendix rather than an article? (Metroid101 22:27, March 18, 2010 (UTC))

MediaWiki:Description Edit

Hi Five Dog. I noticed that the wiki didn't have a customized MediaWiki:Description, which provides metadata information, so I just edited it. Feel free to tweak it as you see fit. JoePlay@fandom (talk) 17:10, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Your Book Edit

When I came to read your book a week ago, I was amazed. It was by far good. Unfortunately, I saw you made the last edit in December, 3 months ago. I was shocked. I loved that book so far, but I wouldn't be reading anymore anytime soon. Please continue writing your awesome book. Pvt. Reddenbawker 23:33, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


I agree, you truly are a great writer. Please try to update another chapter soon.64.211.119.132 14:53, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Left 2 Die Edit

Five, will you ever finish your great piece of fanfiction?Chubbyhug 18:52, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Left 2 Die Edit

Ok, just wanted to make sure you didn't give up on it. It's a great story. Chubbyhug 19:00, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Your Fanfiction Edit

Yay! Thanks for the compliment! Louis/Zoey FTW!


I really, really enjoyed reading your story too. I hope you update it soon! I do understand there's this thing called life that has a tendency to get in the way though...=P Nightmirage 20:49, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hello. Edit

Hey been awhile since I've actually talked to you. I've managed to come up with a new wiki you may like. Link is here: http://gamings-greatest.wikia.com/ I know i spelled gameing wrong but its only way to get to sight now. GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box 11:54, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

It's has been some great time since we crossed paths o' great one! GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box 12:21, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Happy birthday Edit

Hey, happy birthday, buddy. May you have many more. Love ya, man! Jo the MartenMini Hunter(Shriek) ಠ_ಠ 14:23, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wait. Today is your birthday? Well happy birthday to you, o'great one. GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box 14:26, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
Happy birthday! =) Nightmirage 16:44, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Keith article Edit

Hi, I know you just deleted the Keith article, so to stop this happening again and again, I just made "Keith" redirect to The Survivors page at the Keith section. Hope you don't mind! Sera404 11:17, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Military Edit

Hey should there be an article about the Military? Malekron 16:50, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Vandals Edit

If you can handle vandals hear me out...


Someone has vandalized the Mutations page.

Vandal's name is Steavean2.


Migs005 10:49, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Vandals Edit

No need to worry. I already fixed it.


Migs005 10:56, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hey not funny man, where are you guys!?! Edit

"Want to speak instantly with other members of the Left 4 Dead Wiki? Activate the shout box!"


How does that work? Can't find a damn thing in relation to that. Did I miss something? 94.195.236.134 13:19, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


Ah I see. Well, Deathblade and Jo have already suggested that to me and like with them, I'm leavin' the Offer on the Table, but to the side in case I want to take it at a later date. Also sorted a minor Vandalism in one of the Articles, The Passing in which someone stated Zoey and Francis engage in "Mature" Activities while Louis watches and participates indirectly with..."Interest". If Vandalism becomes a Critical Issue in the Wiki, as in a bunch of Vandals everyday, then I'll consider making one. Right now, it seems you all have it under control mostly so there's no Emergency. So overall, I'll hold onto the offer for a later time. 94.195.236.134 20:39, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wtf? Edit

Monkeys invading a place that doesn't exist......What happened to you O_o GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box 15:51, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Tank inbound! Edit

72.10.122.233 replaced everything on Jo's Page with "Get a Life!". Block at will. It doesn't take a Genius to figure out Vandalizing a User's Page (Especially an Admin's) results in immediate block. Telling you 'cause I know how quick you are. Besides, I know I cannot block or kill, but you, Five Dog, can! 94.195.236.134 16:30, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Stigma most likely took care of that vandal. If she didnt, then Five Dog will. GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box 16:36, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I'm not an admin anymore- just a bureaucrat. I demoted myself a few weeks ago, as I haven't been able to keep up with the wiki at all. I'm back around a bit more now, but I'm loathe to reinstate myself unless an emergency arises. So long as this vandal doesn't become a repeat offender, it's not an emergency. -§tigma-231 oƒ greed {τalk}{¢ont} 16:41, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
Exactly what I was about to say. It's up to Five Dog. 94.195.236.134 16:42, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

=/... Edit

Hey sorry i made a article on walkthrough i probably should have gotten permission first, sorry......=/

D'aw Edit

D'aw ;-; Thanks buddy. I still love you too. I just don't have time for the chat anymore. I'm still on MSN though if you want to talk sometime. Jo the MartenMini Hunter(Shriek) ಠ_ಠ 17:45, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Xbox live Edit

Is your GT just Five Dog? I'll add you if its ok with you :D Mines MusingMuse by the way §ixxyD. Talk to me. 21:14, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Cool Edit

Lol that cerberus drawing is awesome, did you draw that?? And it reminds me of cerberus from devil may cry 3. =p nice picture.

Crash course achivements Edit

Sorry to bother you but I read that 3 of the Achivenments for Crash Course are broken. Can they be done off-line or online with a server. If you can, please tell me as I am quite confused. Thanks Tongue guy 14:04, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Secure that Weapon! Edit

Hey Five Dog, 82.41.54.91 has been hitting Talk Pages and replacin' Posts an' stuff with immature stuff. Here's a "favourite" of mine: "What would the Hunter's Penis look like?" I mean come on at least put that in a new topic rather than edit other Topics. Chris Thorpe 12:00, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ey, new guy here! Just sayin', hello! Edit

I was made an admin over at the Dead Rising wikia because I made lotsa edits over there, I hope I can be helpful over here too! Also, I got some ideas on how to make some info here more complete, care to help a brother out? I lost the wires to my xbox, so I can't do it myself. Also, youtube got blocked in my region for some reason. So I need some help for this. So, hello, and want to help with the project? Mafia Mettaur 03:15, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm a huge fan of the undead, so I got a few projects going on at the moment. One is purely info, helping to complete and detail the DR wikia. Another is making a web-comic for UrbanDead since N00dles seems to have been put on a very long, unknown hold. And two fan-fiction stories, one for Dead Rising, and one for L4D. These fan-fics will be how the many zombies you see in the game, turned into zombies. I put them before infection/zombiefication, and show what happened that made them what they are. You know, put a story behind the face. For L4D, I'm thinking of assigning some zombies as some of the people in the graffiti. For that, I need images of as many individual infected as I can, common's I'll have lots to work on, but first I think I'll work on the primary special infected.

..Sorry I rambled, but long story short, get as many common, special, and uncommon common pics you can of them alone, a full shot of them would be good, and I'll work on their back-stories. Hope ya don't choke on my excess of words, Mafia Mettaur 16:59, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and if youse can think of anyone wthat would want to help with this, don't hesitate to tell them! Mafia Mettaur 17:00, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Er, I didn't mean to put the fan-canon here, I just was asking for the pic's so I could make the comic elsewhere. Get what I'm saying? Not adding here, just asking if you could help with this. Mafia Mettaur 17:08, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

And give this idea to anyone who can make it, just tell them I came up with it! Edit

I came up with a level to make, how about our friends find themselves, in a high-school? I threw the idea around with some firends on a RP site, and they thought it was great! And a little trap I thought up, how about in the janitor's closet, where the old coot has been hiding weapons and foods knowing this day would come (Maybe make this the safe room, or just put useful items here), there is either a hunter, boomer, or witch waiting for you? Mafia Mettaur 17:04, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm no superman~ Edit

I think I'm just going to work on the first one for now, already got lots on my plate, get what I'm sayin' 'ere? Mafia Mettaur 17:12, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

My page Edit

How do I set my favorites, what team im in, and where I live, like you guys do?

Scared Edit

Oh thanks you scared me to death before I saw it was only a test. But why my page? Anyway hi and that really was some seriously funny stuff.:)Sniperteam82308 02:51, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

2012 Edit

Hey Five Dog, Saint here. I was just messaging you about the requirements for becoming an Admin? I have L4D2 on Xbox 360, and have beaten almost everything in it. I haven't gotten a lot onto the wiki, but if there a certain edit limit, or anything I need to do...to become an admin?

The3rdStreetSaint 05:12, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Updates Edit

It ain't nothing, I just look at the changes and write them in here. If there are numbers after the name of the campaign, I start by linking the campaign and then linking the number to that campaign's chapter, which is the chapter number.

You're very welcome! Breakin'Benny 17:35, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Payday Crossover Edit

I figure you're as good a person as any to show this to:

http://lambdageneration.com/posts/trailer-released-for-payday-no-mercy-the-left-4-dead-payday-crossover/ --AleximMose 09:18, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hello Edit

I was wondering If you'd like to add the Half-Life Wiki to the Valve wiki network header at the bottom of the mainpage. I'd be happy to do the same with Half-life's mainpage. Seeing as We're hosted on wikia and we're different from the combine wiki, I think we'd be a nice addition.
Thanks for your time
KλT 13:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC) -- {{SUBST:Nosubst|Sig/KATANAGOD}} 13:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

dog do u have any idea what this whole screw in the xbox version of l4d is. every last server i go to is full of stupid neon error signs instead of zombies. it's spreading all across the xbox version and all of my friends are seeing it too. is it some kind of glitch, an infection, or are those bastards down at VALVe trying to force us all over to l4d2 and their stupid l4d1 campaigns? pleeeeeeaase respond, ReichMuskrat15 (talk) 03:16, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

2013 Edit

Main Page Columns Edit

Hey there, Five Dog! My name is Doug and I'm a member of Wikia's Community Development Team. I'm stopping by to ask whether it would be alright to pull in mainpage columns (<mainpage-column>) for the main page of the wiki. Putting them in would allow you to fit more information in with less space, and it'll actually tidy up the main page nicely! I'm willing to go in and add them myself, if that's alright. Let me know!

Doug @fandom (profile)•(talk)•(email) 01:27, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Addition of Dota 2 Wiki to VWN Edit

We've been discussing it over at Team Fortress Wiki, and we feel now is a good time. Dota 2 is being formally released soon, so new editors are always welcome. The image we're using exists here. Please let me know if you're happy for this to go ahead. Thanks. Smashman (talk) 22:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey there, Five Dog.

My name’s Matt and I’m a community development associate for Wikia. I’m working on a new feature called “Beginners Guide” where I interview experts on a given topic about how they got into it and how they recommend others do the same. My first topic is going to be zombies -- and I’d really appreciate your help!

If you could provide answers, as short or long as you see fit, to the questions below, there’s a good chance your input will be featured in the article.

Thanks!

1. Tell me a bit about yourself and your involvement with the Left 4 Dead wiki.

2. How did you get into Zombies? How did you get into Left 4 Dead?

3. How would you recommend a beginner get into Zombies? Any particular books/movies/comics/TV shows/games/etc. that would serve as a good starting point?

4. Anything you wouldn’t recommend?

5. Any additional advice you’d give to someone new to Zombies?

6. What resources on your wiki might be useful to an aspiring zombie fan?

Mhadick (talk) 22:22, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Zombie Beginner's Guide Edit

Hey there, Five Dog.

My name’s Matt and I’m a community development associate for Wikia. I’m working on a new feature called “Beginners Guide” where I interview experts on a given topic about how they got into it and how they recommend others do the same. My first topic is going to be zombies -- and I’d really appreciate your help!

If you could provide answers, as short or long as you see fit, to the questions below, there’s a good chance your input will be featured in the article.

Thanks!

1. Tell me a bit about yourself and your involvement with the Left 4 Dead wiki.

2. How did you get into Zombies? How did you get into Left 4 Dead?

3. How would you recommend a beginner get into Zombies? Any particular books/movies/comics/TV shows/games/etc. that would serve as a good starting point?

4. Anything you wouldn’t recommend?

5. Any additional advice you’d give to someone new to Zombies?

6. What resources on your wiki might be useful to an aspiring zombie fan?

Mhadick (talk) 22:33, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

2014 Edit

Admin Request Edit

Hello, I was wondering if you were looking for admins because I know for a fact that L4D3 is in development and soon this wiki will be updated once again. I would like to become an admin for the L4D Wiki because it seems like the other admins are going to be inactive from now on, and I just would like to contribute to one of the wikis here on Wikia. 

LoginRice (talk) 07:17, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

2016 Edit

Re: Thanks! Edit

Damn, man, that was like 2 years ago or so, but no problem, I guess. Pangia, 12:55, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Backround ImageEdit

Hey, i just wanted to know if the new background picture came from my user page because once i added that photo to it, the background's page immediately changed to the on i added. Don't awnser if you don't want to, I'm just confused about it. Stopmonk (talk) 02:47, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

Edits etc Edit

Heyo, glad to see you back in business helping with the wiki. Just wanted to address a couple comments you left on your The Drains edit. I have no idea where those </nowiki>s come from, but I certainly don't intend for them to be there. Also, I try to get the text to match the links as often as possible to cut down on the length and complexity of the source text. The whole word gets linked in the user version of the page even if only part of it is linked in the editor, otherwise I wouldn't leave the suffixes off. Instead of messing around with redirects and linking parts of words and etc, I'm just gonna change the titles of each section to match the actual page of each infected, make it real simple. If you've got any other tips or requests for editing, feel free to send them my way. Again, I'm glad you're back in action and I hope we can do this wiki some good together.

Uberzombiemeat (talk) 01:37, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

About the </nowiki>s, that appears to be happening sometimes on the wiki community, when people edit pages to add content to them, because i'm looking at pages that has the </nowiki> on it Stopmonk (talk) 03:49, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Bill edit Edit

Hi Five Dog. I saw your change for Bill. Standard procedure for video game characters is to base their stats on the face actors. Bernard Fouquet is 6' 1" tall, so Bill should be the same. Since there is no info for Bernard Fouquet's weight, and since Bill is of average build, the weight is probably based on the average weight for that height, which is 190 lbs. IanBrettCooper (talk) 13:00, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

This Wiki is outdated... Edit

And way behind schedule, the nav bar needs updates, the survivors from the jap ver need to be added there, some features need to be enabled (even this message board has been deprecated by Wiki and replaced with a much better one; which you can enable...) and some templates need to be updated / replace. Unfortunately all Valve games are dead right now and this wiki is way behind schedule. Welcome back by the way. Jacob Mrox (talk) 14:17, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

Could you at least enable forums? Also if you have Message Walls, etc., it may decrease the chance of vandalism. I'm just saying... Stopmonk (talk) 19:33, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
Like Stopmonk said, the new features are more secure and more optimized, its all about upgrading and moving on. Plus comments, forums and those things could engage users more with this wiki, allowing them to suggest things and ask things easily, what's the point of wikias and fandom if not for this? just update the wikipedia page then, people come here for information and in the recent years its become a community for fans of any subject, thus discussions board (/d) being added to many active and big wikis, allowing them to comment and post on the forum board will make this wikia pump with life once again and compete with other wikias. I hope this makes more sense for why I suggested these things get enabled, regards.--Jacob Mrox (talk) 22:18, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

​ Survivor height and weight Edit

Hey just wanted to let you know that Francis's height as well as Rochelle and Coach's weight were revealed in the developer commentary for both games respectfully. As for the other surivors, i'm not sure it's been confirmed. Myelle (talk) 18:24, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

Oh cool. I mean, who isn't lol. I'm actually a staff member over at The Walking Dead Wiki! Awesome place. Myelle (talk) 19:01, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Anonymous Nick Editing Edit

Welp, you got me. I was just playing around with that. Just a heads up: I may do that again in the future.

Stopmonk (talk) 20:49, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Catching up with each other. Edit

Hey Five, god it must have been years since we last spoke to each other. I was online today for the first time in quite a while, and saw you'd just edited your userpage, (the Ave Maria is an excelent touch). I'd really like to speak with you again soon, maybe talk on the wiki's chat app. I hope life's treating you well! {{SUBST:User:Legofan/Signature}} 18:03, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

excelent, I feel the same! I'm going to be super busy this week between studying and thanksgiving, but I'll try to always be online on the webchat app. It may be tricky to work around time zones but I feel confident we'll make it work. Talk to you soon! {{SUBST:User:Legofan/Signature}} 17:45, November 23, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry I haven't been online, school's been kicking my rear and I've taken responsibility as the moderator of a Discord Channel. I'll be online early tomorrow morning, between 5 and 9 EST or so. I've got a big exam so I'm going to try and get some last minute work done. {{SUBST:User:Legofan/Signature}} 03:17, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
Hey Five, I'm going to try to be online for the rest of today and tomorrow, I had a lot of fun talking and want to meet up again later. {{SUBST:User:Legofan/Signature}} 00:17, February 12, 2017 (UTC)
Yo, I've got information you're probably going to want to hear, message me when you get a chance {{SUBST:User:Legofan/Signature}} 23:24, February 12, 2017 (UTC)

Warning Edit

Uh, you put in the wrong link on the other guy's talk page. He edited the Special Infeced  page, not the Tank one.

Stopmonk [Talk Page/Message Wall] [Contribs] 04:01, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Editing other user's pagesEdit

It says here that you can edit another user's page if there's a red link on it, and it's a page that's uneeded. Stopmonk [Talk Page/Message Wall | Contribs] 23:12, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

That is one of the reasons I think the page is "dramatically boring", because I'm pretty sure it's written out roughly and might take things too seriously. And that user space policy can lead to confusion, due to the "permission" and the things that you can do on it (with permission) being a bit far away from each other. They would be warned or noted on their talk page, and they'll be confused. I suggest we re-write the whole article. It's up to you.Stopmonk [Talk Page/Message Wall | Contribs] 22:10, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

NPCs edit Edit

The reason I did that edit to the NPCs page was because something bad happened at that point so I decided to edit a random page and did all that, also because one time someone on Wikia went on a spree replacing content with similar to what i put in, then someone reverted it, then the other person undid the revert, then the same thing happened to several pages over and over again. I actually find that funny... but yeah.


Also, is it possible for you to change what it says when one undos or rollbacks an edit? And can you delete this file [File:Xbox_360_Logo_2013.png] i added? I marked it for deletion.

Also that IP adress that edited my comment was actually me, sorry about that. For some reason it logged me out and i didn't know that until i hit the Publish button.

Stopmonk [talk/wall | contribs]

03:27, December 12, 2016 (UTC)


... So you're telling me there's a chance
Stopmonk [talk/wall | contribs] 20:23, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

'Ello mon! (Im not Jamacin) Let me cut to the chase. If your wondeing how I found out about those gliches, watch PeakTemper. His funny moment videos always have at least 1 or 2 rare gliches a video. Like how a witch can get stuck in the ground or have the director spawn a Tank right on top of you. Also, fanclub? I WANT IN PLS?! SharpedoDoesStuff (talk) 23:42, December 15, 2016 (UTC)

2017 Edit

Multiple things Edit

Hi, Five Dog. I don't know if I should do this or not, but here goes.

First, I'm here to tell you that I apoligize for making those bad faith edits, and I promise I will not do it again. Also, when I read the reason you gave, you said I removed the necessary Delete template. That was not intentional.

Secondly, this wiki is pretty vulnerable to vandalism, as vandal/troll pages are being created and content chunks are being removed, and that's why I'm here. I have been active here for over 5 months now, and I'm wondering if I or, at the very least, Uberzombiemeat (possibly JezMM, too), could be content moderators. I would like to help keep this wiki clear of vandalism if possible, so I hope you respond soon.

Nova Stopmonk [talk/wall | contribs] 01:24, January 21, 2017 (UTC)

Custom Campaign Shutdown is OK Edit

I totally understand.  Most of the Custom Campaign pages are empty, and with the Steam Workshop adding new campaigns all the time it isn't like we have anything comprehensive.  I have no objections to shutting the whole thing down.

Uberzombiemeat (talk) 00:39, February 8, 2017 (UTC)

But I still read them........ - a person 161.0.255.17 19:23, May 9, 2017 (UTC)

Greetings and offer of assistance Edit

Good day sir/madam, you likely do not know me, as I am new to this wiki, but I wish to offer my assistance with the maintenance of this wiki. I have noticed that the wiki has been relatively quiet in recent times, and I have noticed a fair number of grammatical issues and other potential issues that may or may not need correction. I am an experienced editor with a reasonably high level of experience of the Left 4 Dead series, and I am also an Administrator on the GTA Wiki. There does not seem to be an established Manual of Style on this wiki, leaving me somewhat reluctant to perform more major edits, so could you please outline any style norms that I should conform to when editing? I look forward to being of assistance on the wiki.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 20:23, March 1, 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for getting back to me and for the information. I have only one question: since you state that second-person pronouns should be avoided, should I replace all instances of second person pronouns (aside from those in quotes) with third-person equivalents?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 15:40, March 2, 2017 (UTC)


I thought so. It seems that incorrect use of second-person pronouns is something that both our wikis suffer from. I have one more request: could I please import my User and Talk page layout from the GTA Wiki (excluding wiki-specific information) to my equivalent pages here? This will require me to create three templates and upload a number of images.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 10:28, March 3, 2017 (UTC)


Thank you, I will do just that. I would have named the templates in the manner that you have stipulated anyway, since that is how it is done on the GTA Wiki as well.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 11:39, March 3, 2017 (UTC)


Apologies for that. You are not the first person to tell me to try not to make repeated minor edits, and you probably will not be the last. I will do my very best to avoid doing it, but unfortunately I cannot guarantee it. I am a perfectionist, and if I spot anything wrong with my edit(s), I will correct it, no matter how minor.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 14:15, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the "Pix" template Edit

Good day again, I have a proposal to make: it seems rather redundant to have the "Pix" template restate the page name, so I feel that the {{PAGENAME}} parameter should be removed. I would have done it myself, but the template is protected.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 15:57, March 3, 2017 (UTC)


Thank you.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 16:30, March 3, 2017 (UTC)


I have found another template ("Walkthrough") that had the same redundant parameter, but this one was not protected, so I have already changed it. If I happen across any other templates that have the same issue and are protected, I will contact you again.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 16:38, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Your Templates Edit

Oops, it seems that I misunderstood your instructions slightly. Sorry about that. It seems that your policy is slightly different to ours on the GTA Wiki, since we usually upload the templates into the template namespace, but with a username prefix.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:15, March 3, 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for correcting my error. By the way, I actually need to create one last template called "Userlinks" for my latest message dialogue box to work correctly. I should upload it to "User:TAlim 1994/Userlinks", correct?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 17:26, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the use of second-person pronouns Edit

Good day again, I have something that I wish to clarify: aside from quotations, are there any cases where second-person pronouns can be used? I ask because there seems to be substantially more use of second-person pronouns on this wiki compared to the GTA Wiki (for example, in the "Tactics" section of several articles, where their use is especially profuse), and I am unsure of which of those instances, if any, should be left as they are. Thank you in advance.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 18:18, March 5, 2017 (UTC)


Indeed I do see the problem. As you say, the readability of the articles must take priority over the incorrect use of second-person pronouns, though I will still try and fix them. As for more pressing issues, most of the articles that I have seen are quite well written aside from the second-person pronouns, but there are two in particular which have caught my attention for being badly written, to the point that parts of the articles are almost unintelligible: Midnight Riders (in particular the "History" section) and Videos and Trailers. I am not sure that I can fix the Midnight Riders article, since I do not know much about them, but I will run through the Videos and Trailers article soon and fix the numerous issues on it. Would you mind having a look at the Midnight Riders article and trying to fix it when you have the time?
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 12:49, March 6, 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for that, please do it whenever you get the chance.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 22:59, March 7, 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Custom Campaign page removal Edit

Good day, I have commented on the removal of Custom Campaign pages on the Custom Campaigns Talk page. Feel free to view it and respond if you wish.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 18:35, March 5, 2017 (UTC)


I have made another comment on the removal of Custom Campaigns. Feel free to view it and respond if you wish.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 00:26, March 9, 2017 (UTC)


Apologies for that, I have a general habit of leaving a message on the Talk page(s) of a person(s) whom a message on a different Talk page is directed at, but I will discontinue that practise if you wish.
TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim 林道安 (talk | contributions) 09:52, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Vandal Edit

http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/107.221.25.8 Vandalized the Special Infected Page by putting swearimg all over The Hunter section.

Easter | Wolfboy231 | Wolfy

Kill all custom campaigns....... Kill my foot. Protect all customs *chk chk* That's my official instructions

                                                                                                                     - CCLM 161.0.255.17 19:22, May 9, 2017 (UTC)

Russian Left 4 Dead wiki Edit

Funnily enough, there is a Russian Left 4 Dead Wiki right here. Breakin'Benny (talk) 16:02, May 20, 2017‎ (UTC)

We're much closer than you think. R. Kenni (talk) 20:30, August 21, 2018 (UTC)

Spam pages Edit

Please remove these spam pages:

http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Left_4_dead_3

http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Fgjfgx


Thank you, Orang050903 (talk) 09:16, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Video needed on The Passing? Edit

http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/The_Passing already has video walkthroughs, but template "this page needs video walkthroughs" still exists.

Tutorial StandardsEdit

I understand why we cut all the custom campaigns, but I'm wondering if 'Tutorial Standards' should stay due to it being a Valve-made campaign. It's part of the base L4D2 game, accessible via console, and the article in question is fully fleshed out and complete. We could list it under 'Cut Campaigns' along with Dam It. If you were hoping the article had more images, let me know and I could run through and grab screenshots of the various areas. Aabicus (talk) 00:06, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

"HEYYY! COME BACK! COME BACK! Ahh, he ain't comin' back."
Coach

There are too many mess here since a few weeks ago. We need an admin to get back here.

(Note: This message does not meant that I request to be promoted) Orang050903 (talk) 02:51, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Corrections Edit

Many thanks for your corrections. English is not my primary language, I try to not make mistakes, but sometimes... You understand :) McRela (talk) 18:25, September 16, 2017 (UTC)

Change, something new Edit

"Something old, something new, something to rip your guts out."
Rochelle

In my opinion, this wiki is nicely developed. We have many good quality pages. However, recently we lack changes, which make this wiki to be boring. Most of new edits are vandalism, reverting vandalism, or just minor edits. Even our main page has not been edited since February 9.

I suggest that we should make more changes to make our wiki more flexible. This included, but not limited to:

1. In main pages, poll should be updated frequently, featured pages should be changed periodically. (How about twice per month for polls and four times per month for featured pages?)

2. Quotes in each pages should be changed/switched to another quotes periodically. (Two pages per day should be sufficient)

3. If possible, old video walkthroughs should be removed and replaced with newer one. Exception will be given to videos about development history. (I suggest that we show more expert videos than normal ones)

Orang050903 (talk) 11:11, October 16, 2017 (UTC)


"Stay positive guys, I have a good feeling about this."
Louis

Sorry for late reply. I understand and appreciate your argument.

I agree about main page poll, it can't be updated frequently. However, I still think it needs to be updated.

About wiki featured pages, trust me, we need to change it. Even if we will run out of good quality pages, it is better than keep the same pages for years. I suggest a non-gameplay pages such as "Carriers" to be promoted as one of two featured pages.

About page quotations, well, I know that some quotes are better than others and we choose best quote(s) to represent pages. However, there are many quotes which are as good as the ones already written. I ask your permission to change some of quotes periodically.

About videos, looks like they will be left the way they are.


Off topic, I already read a message from you in block log. Ehm, what are differences among "janitor", "patroller" and "rollback"?

Orang050903 (talk) 04:02, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

Did i do something bad ? You've said : "I see you mister vandal."

Mangle The Vixen Fox (talk) 14:03, December 10, 2017 (UTC)

Should we say something about the Witch in Left 4 Dead?

The witch's damages on L4D when your incapacited go much more faster, in L4D2 she take about 2/3 seconds to damage a incapacited survivor.


I'm not that good in english so i can't add a phrase like that inside her page.

Mangle The Vixen Fox (talk) 23:05, December 23, 2017 (UTC)

Yes it is! The Witch doesn't damage incapacited survivors for 2 or 3 seconds in L4D2, but in L4D1 she does!

Is there any mods out there for adding this feature back? I find the witch weaker now.

-~~Mangle The Vixen Fox~~ (talk) 21:16, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

2018 Edit

Thanks for fixing the grammar. ;)

Mangle The Vixen Fox (talk) 10:18, January 11, 2018 (UTC)

In the Incapacitation section of 'Health', the fact that L4D2 Survivors become a ragdoll after their health reaches zero by itself while on a ledge (Hanging and not just jumping off without hanging) takes effect on all places, even accessible ones.

The falling state of Survivors (and thus the ragdoll when they hit the ground) happens when their ledge-health drains to 0 by itself and not by other causes. (Commons, Spitters, Console Commands, etc.) I should have explained it more clearly .-.

Here is a video

Also if this for some reason clogs up something or overrites your talk page, I'm sorry. Relatively new to this talk thing.

45.116.236.126 04:15, April 18, 2018 (UTC)

1969 car Edit

The coupe in Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 is a 1969 Plymouth Fury. However the taillights are different because the 1969 Plymouth Fury in L4D/L4D2 has thin taillights and the 1969 Plymouth Fury in real life has thick taillights. Is there a 1960s and 1970s car that has thin taillights like the L4D/L4D2 Plymouth Fury.

1969 Plymouth Fury in real life.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1969_Plymouth_Fury_III_(18790845336).jpg

Rear view 1969 Plymouth Fury in real life.

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/wp-content/uploads//2011/05/1969PlymouthFury_02_700.jpg

1969 Plymouth Fury in Left 4 Dead 2 The Parish.

1969FuryinL4D2

Rear view 1969 Plymouth Fury in Left 4 Dead 2 The Parish.

1969FuryinL4D21

Turzy310 (talk) 18:35, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

I come in peace Edit

Hey hey, Five Dog! I'm the administrator of Russian L4D Wiki, and I have a favor to ask of you. Firstly, can you delete this 'article', and secondly, please add interwiki (ru:Left 4 Dead Вики, es:Left 4 Dead Wiki & pl:Wiki Left 4 Dead) to the bottom of your main page. --R. Kenni (talk) 20:26, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Proof of lines said by Common Infected (Green Flu revision) Edit

Hey there. I just noticed you undid an edit of mine on the Green Flu back in July, where I noted that the Infected scream lines such as "Fuck you" or "Run for your lives". Undid for the reason of "Proof first", I present to you the following video of L4D2 infected sounds and respective timestamps. Both are from the same video, but are seperate timestamps so you can directly hear the line in question.

"Fuck you!", 3:57 in. High-pitched, the "you" is drawn out. https://youtu.be/p1art5snL6c?t=3m57s

"Run for your lives", 4:00 in. Deep, guttural, almost growling. Heavily slurred. https://youtu.be/p1art5snL6c?t=4m

Other such "slurred phrases" can be heard throughout the entirety of the video, such as what sounds like "That's bad" at 9:18, or perhaps an "Alright!" at 4:01.

Overall, here's the proof first.

Call me "OliCoon" (talk) 19:15, September 18, 2018 (UTC)

LOOK AT THIS Edit

HEY. Look at this and talk to me! --R. Kenni (talk) 11:09, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Re: Proof of lines said by Common Infected (Green Flu revision) Edit

Hello, Five Dog!

I understand if the trivia is unnecessary. I suppose it as just something interesting to note down. My two cents, however, is that I wouldn't be surprised if the lines actually did contain phrases in English that were just spoken to sound slurred. Valve did something similar with their Headcrab zombies in the Half Life series (Half Life 2, specifically). There's a very familiar shriek when you set them on fire, where they say something commonly interpreted as "Yabba, my icing, Gaww", but when played backwards, it's actually a slurred and downpitched voice screaming "Help God help, help me!", as shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXuR41eisnM

Or maybe that's the Pareidolia again. 

Anyways, I understand why we can't put it in. Again, it just seemed something noteworthy.

Call me "OliCoon" (talk) 21:26, November 5, 2018 (UTC)


Regarding how Swamp Fever starts, correct, it does canonically start with the survivors coming out of a helicopter crash. However the actual starting room or area is in a boxcar, which I think is likely a remainder of Dark Carnival's original finale. If I need actual evidence for that, then I'm sorry to say that I don't have any. Cel Ir (talk) 12:28, November 10, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Five Dog,

I don't have a source for Valve's decision regarding the start of Swamp Fever, it was more of a logical deduction. We know that the campaign starts with the Survivors on a train, and that there is a crashed helicopter in the background, and that the Concert finale was originally going to be on a train but was changed to a helicopter escape late in production. Because they were late in production, they couldn't make modifications that were too major without going over deadlines. I personally think there's enough evidence to support the claim that Valve added the crashed helicopter in response to that change in the Concert finale as a quick continuity fix because they didn't want to fully redesign the starting area of Swamp Fever. If you don't think there's enough evidence to claim that, or if you think it should be more thoroughly explained like I do here, let me know and I'll change/remove it.



Cheers. Uberzombiemeat (talk) 05:18, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Block me --Gam3rpeeper (talk) 23:03, November 19, 2018 (UTC)

“Commentators” in Crash Course Edit

Hi! I’m new to the wiki and have mainly been ping through and fixing grammar mistakes and run on sentences, but I have a quick question.

Under the notes section for Crash Course, it mentions that “commentators” have assumed that Bill’ voice actor wasn’t available to record lines, which is understandable. However, my concern is with the word “commentators”- it puts an image in my mind akin to sports commentators or something official in that vein.

What I’m saying is that the use of “commentators” doesn’t seem to fit correctly in the context. Would it be fair to change it? I’m sorry if this is a dumb message, but changing the word would completely change the meaning of the sentence and I’m not used to doing edits of that caliber. --Jordy-Pordy (talk) 16:37, November 21, 2018 (UTC)

Vandal User Edit

The page is - https://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/1

The Vandal User is - https://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/112.211.222.233

Yup, that's what happened.

This is the moment of everything, but you could be more than anything. 10:20, December 18, 2018 (UTC)SUPER4geditTANK

I thought the wiki has protected all pages to prevent random IP vandals. --SUPER4geditTANK-Pordy (talk) 10:19, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

2019 Edit

Fact-checking Edit

Hey! Can you pls check these facts and find sources? 1 (Louis), 2 (Bill), 3 (Bill). --R. Kenni (talk) 23:02, January 2, 2019 (UTC)

User making lots of incorrect grammar edits Edit

Hi there.

Just an anonymous user to watch/take action on possibly: https://left4dead.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.191.243.44

I reverted/undid many of their edits - they seem to be attempting to make grammar fixes, but most of their changes are incorrect, create sentences with a mixture of past/present tense.  It might be some bizarrely new time-consuming form of vandalism, or they just really don't have the grammatical knowledge to be doing such edits.

JezMM (talk) 21:35, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

New Wiki ManagerEdit

Hey Five Dog, I am Tephra, the new Wiki Manager for the Left4Dead Wiki. Thatawesomecat stepped down as a Wiki Manager, so I am your replacement. Let me know if you ever need anything.
◄► Tephra ◄► @fandom 06:17, June 21, 2020 (UTC)

so there's no Message Wall? strange

the funny thing is that FEDRA's wiki page does actually contain parallels with CEDA. it is quite likely that CEDA influenced Naughty Dog in a way since both universes are similar and L4D came out earlier. if you don't like that it's "mostly about TLOU" i can rewrite that piece in a way L4D's is placed and described in the first place

"Trivia" is prevalent on all wikis, but I'm cool with sticking to "Notes"

there are 3 criteria about person's social ethnic group: race (Caucasian), nationality (American) and ethnicity (Caucasian-American). you want to keep only race which actually turns out to be not as comprehensive since one's nationality's not mentioned. i know all L4D's characters are American but on all wikis, even the one not based on FANDOM, ethnicity is listed in the infobox, not only the race or only the nationality, because ethnicity includes both the race and the nationality thus it's more precise and useful than only race. i know it contradicts with template's variable since it's named "Skin Color/Race" but that's why you should consider changing it to "Ethnicity". even if a character speaks pure American English which suggests they're American, what if, for example, they were born Russia to a Russian family but migrated to U.S.? that's just a hypothetical situation, i know you can mention it in biography section but it's always better to give it away straightaway in the infobox

Mampac (talk) 08:08, July 2, 2020 (UTC)

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