User talk:Jo The Marten

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http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq150/Jo_The_Marten/cs_office_unlimited_oc0000-1.jpg Our professionally trained Hunters work around the clock, answering your many questions. Welcome to my talk page! Please feel free to post questions you might have here! Keep in mind, I'm not constantly on the Wiki, so it may take a few minutes to a few hours for me to respond. Also don't be surprised if another admin sees your post and responds to it before I do. We often go around to each other's talk pages to make sure everyone who has a question is satasfied in a timely manner. Here are some guidelines I like to see in comments to me:

1. Readable

I understand not everyone spoke English as their first language, and that's fine. As long as it's readable and n0+ lyek dis foo' you'll be fine. =)

2. Mature

This is a Wiki. Members, especially admins, will edit and delete posts without mercy. If you're concerned about an edit I might have made, please tell me why you feel this way and persuade me. Do not come on here and complain like a 6 year old. Chances are that'll only get you blocked.

3. Sign your name

I can't tell you how tedious it is to go up to my Talk Page History and have to search for whoever sent a message. Just sign your posts and at least I'll know what page to go to if you don't already have a link to your page in your sig.

Don't forget to check my F.A.Q. page and see if I might have already answered your question.

Thanks, and I look forward to your questions and comments! =) Jo the Marten  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  19:09, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Re
Animation exist in the models. Check it out. B-MAN 17:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

hey jo nice seeing you again after bein off the wiki for so long, i found you a nice gift, I managed to find a leaked The Passing poster that was secretly released when they put out the teasers. :D --†hê98¹³ 23:40, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

and to ruin my fun i get beaten to the punch >.>

i agree, and i am glad that they changed the fallen survivor gameplay, because the old ver of it implodes into fire where it stands if killed, the newer ver drops ammo,medkits guns and DOESNT implode, plus it runs away from survivors so they have to chase it if they want the prize

l4d3?
seriously, l4d2 is probably the best ultiplayer experience you can have with friends, much better than call of duty!

i was wondering wether you knew anything about l4d3, or if there is one.

any info is truly appreciated. - drake lexus

My RfA
Just to let you know, I have made another RfA, in case you wanted to comment in some way. :)--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' ROAR 02:57, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

My biggest question about DLC
Hi! Do you need Xbox Live to download a DLC in Xbox 360?

yes you will need xbox live because you get it of the xbox marketplace Lee2win 11:26, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Link Error
Just thought I would let you know the first link(User boxes can be found here!)on your new Personalizing your user page doesn't link correctly. Awesome stuff in that article btw. --JiNX Bloodfang 07:04, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Recurring Locations
Hi Jo. Just a quick question. I was considering adding some store names to the Dead Center Mall page, like the recurring locations of "Taco Bucket" and "Koppel's". Wanted to see what you thought before I put a bunch of time into it if it was just going to be deleted. Didn't know if you admins would consider that superfluous. If you do that's totally cool, just let me know! Thanks!Nightmirage 20:41, February 18, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

Untrue
In the silenced submachine gun, it says, "In real life, silencers take away power and range..." This is not a big issue, but I gone through countless games like this when silencing weapons takes damage away, I find that untrue that a bullet is a bullet, and silencers do not make bullets go any slower. But I know this is a Left 4 Dead Wiki and, it has no purpose to this website, and you may not care, and zombies will be ripped to shreds with any weapon. I find that a bullet fired from a gun at 5,000 ft. per second, even if it has a silencer will go through you. Im just tired of everyone believing that stupid allogation*. But what of it... no one else cares, its not a big deal I just what to know everyone's belief in this.

P.S. I like your home page, nice work. RagingMutant 20:30, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

WARNING - Ignore this, my brother is an ass.

Re: Untrue (Bullet Damage)
Though my brother brings up a good question that I hate in other games. Do you think that silencers accually take damage away in real life? RagingMutant 20:40, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bad Posts
Jo, sorry about the two bad first posts I made =P. My eyes can be deceiving at times and from the first time I play, I always thought Louis was tall. And about the Smoker's tongue, it appeared brown in the dark but now I believe my color-blindness had gotten me.LoneWolfHBS5 04:26, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Unused or Rare animation
Jo, have you seen this animation before? I once saw it in the SDK and I thought it was unused but it happened to me while messing around with noclip and got myself snatched by a Smoker.LoneWolfHBS5 17:10, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't you pretty much go into that stance when a smoker grabs you anyway? >.> --Legofan94 17:12, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but Zoey was standing up and not being pulled as usual and notice that the red spotlight is there and nothing's behind her. I also took damage from that. LoneWolfHBS5 17:17, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * You said you were in noclip? Thats a classic outcome. Smokers can still grab you in noclip I think, but because your in no clip, you instantly get restrained, instead of getting dragged. I think that must be how it happened. -- Five Dog  Talk Read 17:20, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

I always get snatched when a Smoker is around, even in noclip XD. Usually the typical drag animation plays but I think you're right. I guess this is a rare instance where this animation plays instead of the others. LoneWolfHBS5 17:24, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ive also seen it happen when a boomer explodes near a survivor gettin pulled. DeathMarineEK

Steam userpage link
I don't your link to your steam user page is accurate, cause ive tried typing in search and clicking the link and you dont show up though i have found venatorphile. GeneralOwnage55 19:04, February 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * so that was you! i thought it was someone else lol! sorry for the confusion. GeneralOwnage55 19:14, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, this entire weal (and every other weekend) im free from around 3pm to 6pm, meaning if you want to we could kick ass in l4d multiplayer. that is, if your not busy. GeneralOwnage55 19:19, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ellis and Zoey?
Is Ellis really gonna fall for Zoey in The Passing? Really? Well, I cant argue with Valve for that but the problem is...its just not right. It would be kinda distracting if this happen not to mention a little dissapointing for all those Ellis fans out there. Please,please,please see to this immediately,Valve. Thanks!

Hardcore Ellis Fan Cheeb 01:28, February 23, 2010 (UTC) Cheeb

Old Survivors in The Passing?
Will we play as the Old Survivors in The Passing, because all I see is play as the New Survivors? Plus, forgot* my last comment it was dumb and post me a link to the main trailer of The Passing. Thanks RagingMutant 03:34, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

re: stop
Oh. Hadn't seen the edit to the infobox, and hadn't seen any edits on the Infectedc pages, so I never would have guessed. --With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' ROAR 23:16, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

One of the developers said that 8 player coop was a possibility, but there would'nt be 8v8 verses. DeathMarineEK

Image in the signature.
Well, I created a little image for my signature (honestly, I saw yours, and I wanted one, they're awesome! :3 ). But I've got a problem, I made the signature using the /Signature page, then copying the code and put it into the preferences/signature. I used HTML code, and then uploaded the little image. The problem is that when I post something and leave my signature I leave a new image in the place I posted, making that the little image link to ALL the places I leave my signature. How can I fix that? Thank you!  LaZa  23:03, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Box ad on main page
Hi Jo. Wikia will be activating the 300x250 box ad on the main page any day now, but before that happens, I wanted to slightly modify the main page formatting (add  tags) so that the box ad won't push all the content down. Since you guys have that big Welcome area at the top, the simplest way to modify the page is to use the column tags just on that section. View the test page I made to see what it'll look like. Essentially, the only difference will be that the Welcome section will be "squeezed" to allow room for the extra ad. Everything else on the page will appear exactly the same. I wanted to run it by you first, so please reply on my talk page with any comments/questions you have after reading this message. Once you've it the green light, I'll transfer the modification to the real main page. Thanks. JoePlay ( talk ) 22:07, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

role playing
i wanna create a role playing game based on left 4 dead. I will do a create job, check my wiki to see. Thanks.-JosephFrost0304

Vandal
89.207.208.3<-This person was vandalising some articles earlier. Thought i'd just let you know. GeneralOwnage55 12:56, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Stanchrisradu 18:00, March 8, 2010 (UTC)Hi!
Hi! My name is Stanchrisradu and I like editing. I come from the Combine Overwiki, where a big strain of infection hit almost all the site and blocked many users. I ran from there but I return there for Half Life supplies. I came here to cure the Infected articles and I like throwing a pipe Image on them. Please do not show you are Infected and do not block me. And if I put a bad image or something, reply. THX.

Oh!
Good for him. >:D xo.Christa.xo 05:16, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Profiles
Hey, I'm, errmmm..."new" here.

(New as in, just made an account, but i;m the guy you had the discusiion about people getting torn in half with. ;) )

And I was wondering how to get one of those shnazzy info-box type things you and several others guys have on their page, as well as those cool "This user likes etc." Things.

Thanks,

Inferi-Oro 20:11, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

The Passing
is there an exact date when it is coming out?Ilikethemets 22:29, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

lol I laughed at your response about people may be confused to see a huge picture of Smoker's butt XD.

that was in time, cuz I already was thinking about adding a picture of Spitter's butt (which is obviously 10x grosser).

now I'll remember it's inappropriate. Urik Kane 21:51, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Little question
Where are Five and Stigma? I haven't seen then for a while, actually, I haven't seen anyone from the old times for a while. I hope they still alive, though. Aratinga A. Ѭ 01:49, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * That means there is a new admin place, huh? Btw, I'm retiring. The wikia has changed. Looks like the releasing of L4D2 took all my editing enthusiasm, because L4D and L4D2 aren't funny anymore and I'm often playing TF2. Cya around girl! Aratinga A. Ѭ 03:22, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Quick Question.
Is there a certain milestone you have to reach to vote on featured articles? Like, another wiki I was on required 100 mainspace edits before you could vote, or even comment. With love, MrJoe. 22:46, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

IDK how to make a link in my name 2 my page, can somebody tell me how? DeathMarineEK

Vandal
Some one vandalised the main page earlier, heres the ip address 82.28.177.189 just in case he does it again. GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box 16:55, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

New page
I just saw this page by someone called Zoy, which had information we had already written down and horrible spelling. The link is here: http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicles VaultGuru 15:48, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Article Protection.
There have been several majors vandalizations of the witch page, all by unregistered users. I came from a wiki in which a lock could be put on certain articles, forcing you to register to edit it. It really cut down the vandalism. I was wondering if we could get something like that here? With love, MrJoe. 22:40, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm starting to feel like the entire wiki may need to undergo semi-protected status so only usernames can edit the wiki, haha. Sera404 02:30, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

vandalizing of bill's page
the user "Lo pixle ol" has been editing things like "bill likes dicks" and a few other things i had to undo. i think he also created a new page that says that some nigger zombies were cut. something like that. i would look into that. IchigoKitty 01:28, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

He is also vandalizing The Parish page. With love, MrJoe. 01:47, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

seems like the user "Residentevilrules" has also been doing the same things to zoey and francis' pages. probably same dude. probably will go after the other pages after i post this. IchigoKitty 01:50, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

User of the month?
Again, I keep talking about things that happened on a wiki I came from. Sorry about that. But more to the point, one of the things they used to do was have a user of the month that would be nominated by others users and voted upon by other users, using the same voting format as the Featured Article votes. they would write a bit about themselves and be feature on the front page, like the featured article. I was wandering if we could start something like that here. I would be willing to do anything to help. I understand if you can't, but I think theres some spectacular users on here who deserve recognition. With love, MrJoe. 01:58, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * On my wiki, I just make little awards, so there's no risk of it turning into a competition. Sort of like Wikipedia Barnstars. Food for thought. —  &lt;&lt;— Philodox —&gt;&gt;  talk 19:33, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Wowzers
Hello Jo. Just wanted to say you're doing a fantastic job with this wiki. I inherited Zombiepedia a few months back, and while I'm starting to pick up the markup language and a few CSS/image tricks, I've got a long way to go before I make that wiki look as great as this one. Any pointers or edits you might make would be very much appreciated. I would volunteer my services, but even though I've been playing both games since release, and have been active on the Steam Forums, I really don't see much that I can contribute right now, because everything seems pretty tight here. I will swing by from time to time though.

Thanks!

— &lt;&lt;— Philodox —&gt;&gt;  talk 19:29, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Image Question
May I host a copy of File:Specials s.jpg on zombiepedia? — &lt;&lt;— Philodox —&gt;&gt;  talk 20:17, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

QUESTION.
Hi. Can you headshot or easily kill a Witch with a Magnum pistol? ChristaTheGreat 10:28, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead 3 page created again.
Someone made a page saying that a Left 4 Dead 3 is coming. I believe it is a candidate for deletion. http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Left_4_dead_3%3F LoneWolfHBS5 11:10, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Vandal.
24.141.252.162. Removing content from pages. With love, MrJoe. 01:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

69.254.91.33 <-- Vandal who destroyed the Left 4 Dead 2 page LoneWolfHBS5 13:47, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

User:Left4DeadFan keeps inputting false or unverified data. Please have a word with him or her. --Sera404 14:41, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Colour of changes in edit.
Is it possible to change the colour from red to something brighter? I happen to be colourblind and struggling to see changes made in edits. LoneWolfHBS5 11:24, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Left4DeadFan
Check my talk page (and his if you want to). He's been having a "discussion" with me. Imperialscouts 19:28, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Please block that guy. He's making incorrect edits all the time and threatening people. Not kosher.Nightmirage 19:45, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, you can't check his talk page, he deleted what I said to him. Imperialscouts 20:07, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

He's had 'words' with me too on my User talk page (check history for his 'comment'), though I just undo'd it. Only thing I can suggest at the time is to watch his contributions, check for inconsistancy or false or unverified data and edit or undo it. --Sera404 22:04, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Uh... I don't really feel like I egged him on, but okay. I'll let you handle it. Imperialscouts 23:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I gotcha. I actually am willing to give him a second chance so... this works out fine. Sorry for any trouble. Imperialscouts 23:30, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

excuse me
excuse me you never exactly helped me did you and its not a link where you can copy and paste at all

Zoey and Rochelle
Hi I apologize for my actions before erm will Rochelle and Zoey have any actions something like erm complimenting each others outfits

Hi erm
Hi erm why is it that when I put information on a page right its suddenly gone the next day i look

About editing Batman's page: I was just a little confused as to how things worked due to being new here and all. I wasn't sure what i was doing. It is all straightened out now :) NomNom 19:14, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Jo, why is there so much vandalism going on lately?!Chubbyhug 01:05, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Map in picture at top of page
Where did you download that map? I MUST HAVE IT! lol. Thanks in advance. Jackass2009 01:40, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the link! Jackass2009 03:25, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Please reply Jo
look u dont normally reply 2 messages but please give me sum info that can help me around the wiki Im new here so I really need some help and some suggestions on wat I can do with my profile n stuff please comment on my talk page I REALLY NEED HELP from Funky p4ncake

Thanks 4 the help
Yeh I guess I should hav watched wat I said sorry wont happen again but thanks 4 the tip anyways mate :) Plus I hav been wondering does anyone know if the hunters model on l4d 2 has eyes its alot harder to look under his hoodie even in daylight campaigns-Funky p4ncake.

The Cool Templates Adding!
I need help with the templates like you have on your user page, like the "This user likes hunters" thing. How do i add them?

Please reply. Macic666dp 21:25, April 11, 2010 (UTC)macic666

Refrence
Hey Jo. you should add this to The Passsing refrences, it;s recent http://www.co-optimus.com/article/3752/left-4-dead-s-crash-course-dlc-on-sale-this-week-for-gold-members.htmlWizkid5000 02:30, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for updating it Jo.Wizkid5000 03:40, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

HALP!
Jo, I have some questions and it'd be awesome of you to answer them.

1. How do you get the infoboxes up?

2. How do you get templates up on your userpage?

Please reply. Thank you. Okami-Shichō

hey, Jo, if its not too much to ask could you help add info and pictures for Left 4 Dead on my new wiki. Here is the address: http://gamings-epics.wikia.com/ i greatly appreciate any help. GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box  17:57, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

New passing picture
Jo, in the talk page for the passing, there was a new image released for it can you add it please? This is the image if you have not seen it yet.Darkashura 04:13, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon
I just noticed the Trainer in the top right corner with a Typhlosion and a Flygon following her. GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box  15:44, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * My two favorite pokemon have to be Jolteon and Mawile. GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box  17:38, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you by chance help me out. I've set up an account on Bulbapedia, but i have no clue how to find the user boxes. I'm not really one to ask for help for something like this, I usually find it myself. GeneralOwnage55 The Message Box  20:37, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now all I have to do is find the team box...thing.<font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  21:19, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Archiving The Passing talk page?
With 101 subjects on the talk page of The Passing, can they be archived? It's sort of annoying to even scroll down to the subject's link on the list. Zalbaag 20:43, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Just thought you would like to know...
Since you made The Passing page uneditable, I thought I might alert you to a few things that I have found:

http://kotaku.com/5520691/thursday-is-a-bad-day-to-be-a-left-4-dead-2-infected

http://kotaku.com/5520780/left-4-dead-2s-the-passing-introduces-weekly-game-mutations

and then to back those links up:

http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/04/20/xbox-live-marketplace-release-schedule-april-20.aspx

Kiddie Land 21:02, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

just a notice i made a mutations page with all the info i found on the net if you dont mind can just make sure its well right lets say...

Thank you! ♥ZoeyRoschelle♥

yes because my myspace has a bunch of l4d stuff on it anyways i was just tryin to get someones attention to fix the mutation overlord acievement so no need to be blockin anyone ♥ZoeyRoschelle♥

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH U SEROUISLY DELETED MY BLOG HAHAHAHAHAH k well im not fight here so you keep on doin whatever and you probably won't be seein any edits from me for while cause apperatnly its not right to writeyour own blog oh well nice talkin to ya. bye. ♥ZoeyRoschelle♥

Little question.
May I ask you a question: How does the community -> featured users work?  LaZa 01:01, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hey I need to ask you somthing too! How do I change my signature? Like LaZa has Gray highlight! How do you do that?Boomette 01:08, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Jo, does it take time to actualize? As I have 283 and I don't appear in the list; (the one that it's extended). Thanks.  LaZa  01:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Expert Walkthrough
Just to tell you i am going to start to do expert walkthroughs for each campaign. I've already beaten them all (By myself and with other people) so i think i know what i'm talking about. Anyways i just wanted to let you know that and i couldn't really find any other way to tell you other than this so yeah allright thats it if you want to ask me about my expert edits just message me. Meatloaf1234567 02:03, April 21, 2010 (UTC)Meatloaf1234567

LOL
So thats where the comment "charger pounding in the hole" came from!<font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  18:02, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes i saw that on your steam page. I'm half tempted to play against you in versus now. <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  18:10, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, i just want to ask you to specify more why you have deleted the page Jimmy Gibbs Jr. (character), since i think there was a reason to have an article more about the background of this fairly significant Left 4 dead 2 character, since the oly existing information about this character is about the uncommon common.Fijure 18:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)fijure

I am
I am sick to death of your members calling me a pervert cos I like Rochelle and zoey duh am gay so thats why I like them I play as them. is it a crime to play as them. I suggest something is done about them

New page
I was wondering if it would be ok to make a page about Melee weapons in general. I could link it to the normal weapons page. Let me know of your decision because last time I made a page, it got deleted due to the fact that it was deemed unessessary. Thanks. Major Rambo362 20:52, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. Thanks anyway and if there is anything I can help with, you know where to find me. Major Rambo362 22:18, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Passing Promo
Can I edit the Francis' and Ro's pages? You know,they have a point(they both hate stairs and bridges) - Bling1907

Bill's page
Please explain the reason for removing the information and image from Bill's page, thanks.

The Passing
Jo, the first thing I'm doing when i get home is starting up steam and updating L4D2. I will play through the passing with an iron fist! Then we'll see if bill is truly dead (I hope not D:). <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  12:48, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Protection of Bill, Zoey, Francis, Louis pages
May want to article protect the four L4D1 survivor pages for a while. :3 At least until all info is verified. Sera404 13:03, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

How To
How do I put those boxes that say "This user likes ___" on my user page? JTFR21 16:34, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Bill
Could you please unprotect Bill? I have some uh... I have some things... sad things... to add...--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple"> Supermutantslayer450'  <font color="Indigo">ROAR  17:38, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Passing Walkthrough
Hey, Jo if you'd like i can do a walkthrough of The Passing this weekend. <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  00:56, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am definitely going to do the walk-through for The Passing. I'll play through it tonight and tomorrow I'll start the editing. <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  14:25, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

The Videos
If you've heard of a system called FRAPS, you can easily record videos of FPS games while in-game. It does make the game a little bit laggy however, and it costs $37 to register it. I've tried it and i like it, but i dont have the money to buy it, so i use the thirty-second trial. lol :PTagurit 03:23, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Original Survivor Pages
Why are they all now uneditable (is that a word? It is now). Were people being trolls on the wiki while I was busy playing The Passing 8,000 times? Nightmirage 04:51, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ahh. I can understand Bill since his death will probably piss lots of people off. Do you think you'll unlock them soon? Seeing a lack of an "edit" button on Zoey's page makes me a sad, sad camper. Nightmirage 04:59, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Question:
I'm not sure if you have played The Passing yet (probably have, but anyways), but I was wondering... do you have to wait a while for the Midnight Rider's tour bus to come past the fence near the cement truck? Or do you have to do something first to trigger the pass by? NewbieSim 05:40, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

BASTARD!

 * YOU KILLED BILL!!!! >:(