Talk:Left 4 Dead Wiki

"Doom" Reference?
Hi guys...I was looking at a L4D walkthrough on YouTube, and I swear I saw the Doom Guy's face sneering at you in one of the safehouses...I think it was graffiti or something. I'm including a hyperlink to what I saw. The face is on the right side of the screen, visible from about...0:03 to 0:07. I think the graffiti is "Left [Sneering Face] Dead." I apologize for using the right formatting, but this is the first time I've edited something on a wiki.

Okay, the Safehouse is in Death Toll, the one you're in before the Church.

Link below:

[]

--SteamKnight 14:55, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Featured article
It's been a long time that Bill was the featured article, isn't it time to change it? Please respond. :)76.75.92.244 20:19, August 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * right, would someone change it, i'm getting bored here..Crazy al594 04:20, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can go here and discuss that in more detail (I think). San  Demon  Max  05:26 August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I'd like for there to be an actual, you know, vote for the next Article. Currently the Tank is nominated and he has no competition. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  15:08, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Carnival/ Coaster
When i was playing versus i was in the safe room of coaster and i found the SIG SG552, an international weapon and it did damage to the zombies and i was the only one to notice, can someone hack it on the xbox and can have it or is it extreamly rare? Edit this if you have an answer. thank you
 * There was someone in your game that owns the German version of Left 4 Dead 2. Simple as that. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  21:34, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Improvements
I'll make a nicer grid-based layout soon! takua108 05:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Just a suggestion here but I'f there's a way to stop unregestered contributers from editing the wiki that might help stop the guy/people that have been constantly vandalizing the pages. Sgt. Maine November/28/2009


 * We can, but it wouldn't technically be a place where "anyone could edit", would it? Besides, they could just register and make vandalize on their accounts. IPs have made constructive contributions as well, you know. So it wouldn't help or hurt anything. Jo the Marten  ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  04:02, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * thats cool lol
 * thats cool lol

Looks terrible at 1024x768
I'm assuming that everyone who has seen this page so far has a screen resolution greater than 1024x768, because I'm at school right now reading this, and it looks absolutely terrible. I'll fix it later, perhaps. takua108 18:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions
OK, I have tried to edit the CSS, but so far, no results. I've tried to edit the bottom of the main page (Hubs, Featured, Wikia is hiring), and the text there is black and as you can see, the links are all blue. So what do I need to edit if I want to change bottom links and text to different color? This is kinda bothering me. So, if you handle CSS well could you help?

And some extra stuff. What do you think if we would add a poll to the main page? I see that other wikis have polls and some other stuff. What about picture of the day or userbox? ShadoW 17:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Poll sounds great to me. Here's some ideas. Favorite Character, Boss Infected, Level, Tier1/2 Weapon. Blah blah blah it all seems pretty obvious.
 * --Myogaman 17:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I can edit the CSS tonight, ShadoW. takua108 18:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I really think the link colors should be changed on the first page so it's much easier on the eyes. Twin_Master 23:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure other readers would be interested in a "did you know" page where we could read all the little facts, not just hope the main page has updated to a new set of three facts. Hellz Lips 11:01, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a page and the three facts change everytime you refresh the page. :P Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:32, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Can we make it easier to find pages on health?...Can we put it on the side bar?JokersFlame 02:34, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Poll
I added the poll, though if you need to edit it, feel free to do so. Let's just say it's a "test poll". ShadoW 18:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Changing poll. Please change the poll after two months or so. 69.12.204.67 06:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

i feel we need a new poll as the old is getting old i would change myself but couldnt figure out how Spygon 17:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd like it if we could change it every week or so, but we need to determine what the topic of the poll would be first. Any ideas? - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 17:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I sugest a poll on fave uncommon common infected.
 * Little sister7364 22:44, March 15, 2011 (UTC)Little_sister7364

Walk-Throughs
Do we have any walk-throughs for the chapters? If not, are they necessary? I know the AI Director would make it a little more complicated, but I believe it could be done...if it hasn't already. I mean, all of the other major game wikis I've seen so far--like Halopedia and The Combine OverWiki--have walk-throughs for their levels and chapters. Just wondering. - Stigma-231 † God is dead • [ talk  ] [ cont  ] 20:01, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see much of a reason for one, considering that most of the levels are linear. There are no puzzles to solve, no people to talk to, etc. Each chapter can have a strategy section, which would cover everything useful that a walkthrough could. --HarrisonH 20:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. After seeing the Tactics article, though, I sort of felt that a walk-through became somewhat irrelevant. However, a strategy section to the articles... That would pretty much go over the things one would otherwise put into a walk-through for that campaign, and also lengthen the pages, which I've noticed are all stubs. Thing is, would we put the whole strategy section(s) on the campaign pages and the chapters of it, or just one or the other? - Stigma-231 † God is dead • [ talk  ] [ cont  ] 00:16, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say just the chapters. It'd make sense, look for the strategy for a chapter on that chapters page. --HarrisonH 00:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. Let's see what we can do... - Stigma-231 † God is dead • [ talk  ] [ cont  ] 01:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Should a template be made to state that an article needs a strategy section? One should be made for an example, maybe for The Apartments since it is the first chapter in the first campaign. The template would link to it, so people get an idea of what they're writing. Once every chapter has a strategy section to it, we could delete the template; there really wouldn't be a need for it anymore. - Stigma-231 † God is dead • [ talk  ] [ cont  ] 20:22, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

IRC Channel
Do we have an IRC channel yet? It could be very useful. Just curious, it's not on the Wikia channel listing. - Stigma-231 † God is dead • [ talk  ] [ cont  ] 04:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Nope, we don't have. ShadoW 19:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you going to look into it anytime soon? - Stigma-231 † God is dead • [ talk  ] [ cont  ] 19:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Featured Video
Changed it, because that toddler scared me, and it was there for quite a while now. Uhh...keep discussions of the Featured Video here.  CAFINATOR    Indeed  05:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought it was time to change the video, so there you go.  CAFINATOR    Indeed  08:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Video updated, news added of new blog post.  CAFINATOR    Indeed  07:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Admin
I would enjoy applying to become a Sysop for this Wiki, but alas, even I cannot find a place to elect myself. Much help would be appreciated.  CAFINATOR    Indeed  05:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I just found it. Good luck! - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a hole in my neighbourhood ∞ [ talk  ][ cont ] 23:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Though I don't have the same desire to be an admin (well, I do, but I'll wait for a while before I ask), I would like rollback rights at some time or another. However, like with Cafinator and the sysop page, I don't know where to ask about it, or even the requirements for it on this wiki. Does anybody else know? - Stigma-231 † God is dead • [ talk  ] [ cont  ] 17:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

sadly not but i was thinking the same thing when looking through all the recent changes and noticed how much time and effort into the wiki that stigma puts in she should be an admin.Also who are the admins? as i havent seen them around let alone do anything really. --Spygon 22:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This has a list of all people with sysop powers. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a hole in my neighbourhood ∞ [ talk  ][ cont ] 23:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry lol i was being abit stupid as all i saw was no user found -Spygon 23:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Two people do, actually. ShadoW was the creator of the wiki, and takua108 is the other sysop/bureaucrat, it appears. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a hole in my neighbourhood ∞ [ talk  ][ cont ] 23:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

also another good point thou ShadoW has agreed with me several times over things i suggested but has never put them into place as i never knew he had sysop powers as there are several things that need sorting out that only an admin can do Spygon 23:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Mm. I haven't seen Takua around yet, either. I see ShadoW every now and then, not often, but he's there. He's probably just busy. I saw something that requires an admin to edit, as well: MediaWiki:Needhelp. I have a widget turned on that would show pages that require help...but there's none listed at the moment. I certainly know Glitches, which is a new article, needs some, or else I think it should be deleted. It's most certainly a candidate for help. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a hole in my neighbourhood ∞ [ talk  ][ cont ] 01:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I visit L4D Wiki almost every day, though I've been busy lately so I haven't done much editting. ShadoW 11:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Featured
Instead of constantly changing our featured items, or not changing them at all, why don't we start changing them on a regular basis? I think we could change the featured media and poll about once a week, and our featured article once a month. If we are able to do that, we should make a page or two where users can vote on what they'd like to feature next, and show all past featured things.

And yes, I think it would probably be okay to re-feature some articles if they're just that good. We really don't have all that many articles, and we probably won't be able to make very many more until Valve releases more content for the game. We'll leave the decision up to the community. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 17:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

i agree the only problem i have is that i dont know how to change to featured article bit so i just stayed away from it lol Spygon 10:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Cafinator usually changes it. I just wanted a method to the madness. It really doesn't strike me as being very hard to do, either. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 14:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Feedback
What do you guys think about the layout? Should I make a new one, or not? Any feedback regarding the layout would be awesome. ShadoW 20:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it. It looks nice, easy on the eyes, and it works well with the sort of colour scheme Left 4 Dead appears to have. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 20:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

i agree with stigma it looks good and is easy to read so i say keep and i feel the main users should have a meeting as there are a few big matters that i feel need settling as there just arent getting resolved does anybody else think this is a good idea Spygon 10:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

New Main Page Design
I have just redesigned the Main Page, as you can see, and I hope you like it. We could really do with finding a better background colour as it doesn't go well but I used the one you had on before, sort of. HeadShot 22:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ps, I will try to improve it and iron out the bugs as I go along, so if you notice anything post it here and I will rectify it. HeadShot 22:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

headshot did you read the above thread as we agreed that we liked the layout and it didnt need changing now it looks terrible can you revert back to the old style please as everybody was happy with it.Spygon 11:06, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can appreciate the effort you took Headshot but black text on dark green just does not work - b.r // talk  13:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I know it looks awful that's why I said we need to get a better colour.62.164.245.240 16:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

DLC
New Downloadable content is out now It includesd:

Complete new mode survivior mode

Blood Toll Dead Air Are now playable in versus mode

Someone please write a wiki about it

TeriffiedToxic 13:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * A wiki...? Do you mean an article? We've already started articles about all of that or addressed at least some of it in existing articles. Downloadable Content, Update info, Survival Mode, The Lighthouse, The Last Stand... - §tigma-231 ♠ ৳ hаt i ɯill nəvər escaρe [ łalk  ][ ςont ] 14:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have also put up the basic information on the Lighthouse article, but the other articles need some help. I can try to do my best. Demon Razgriz Talk to Me [[Image:Demon_Razgriz_Logo.jpg|30px]] 14:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Some one answer my question on The Minigun page ploz

Video Page Suggestion?
Maybe we could have a page for our Left 4 Dead Videos? Maybe the tips and trick videos could all be in one convinient place.

Plus Members of the site could post random gameplay videos.

--CaptainEagle 21:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

New logo?
Now that L4D2 has been announced, should we consider updating the logo? Of course if others disagree then we keep the old one. Here's what I have in mind:. ShadoW 13:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I'll have to think about it. But if anyone else votes that we should, then go ahead. - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 15:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure we should. If we change it to match the sequel and another sequel arrives, do we change it again? I think the solution is to keep the original. Besides, this is the Left "4" dead wiki, is it not? I think it's fitting to have not only the original game's logo, but also a logo with "4" fingers. -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 22:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can easily design a new one, but I just think we shouldn't do it, "The Hand" is like a signature for the Left 4 Dead series, it should be used in all the next games, and besides... boycotting will hunt us down! D: Zikkun 04:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

New feature: Blogs
Recently Wikia's updates are really getting my excited, and the blog option is a really splendid idea, my suggestion is that for every news on the main page (for example, the Left 4 Dead 2 announcement), we will make it a blog so people can share their thoughts in the comments. Halopedia thought of this before me, I saw it and I'm amazed how it makes the community better. You can see how the blogging's comments work here. So, should we adopt this idea? I really like it. Zikkun 04:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, I've never really been big on blogs. But if it's something you want to do as a pet project, go ahead. - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 05:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Multiplayer demo
has been announced for left 4 dead 2!

Customized header area for main page
I've been visiting the Harry Potter Wiki lately for some information about the series and saw some cool things there. Anyway, the main page looks cool.

Getting to the point. Would Left 4 Dead Wiki look cool with customized header area? For example the featured article would look like this: Meaning that this pic would replace the "Featured article" text in the header. Any thoughts? ShadoW 11:27, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It can be really messy in other resolutions, and I'm already working on a new main page with new templates and so a month already. So it's unnecessary right now. Zikkun 17:27, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Yo everyone, was suprised to find that none of the add on campaigns have appeared on the wiki? Are they not allowed to be on here or as no one got round to it yet. I would kindly oblige to do a few that I have played if needed--Chief engineer 15:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Add-on campaigns? You mean campaigns made by people other than Valve? Honestly, I'm not entirely sure if we should allow those or not at this point. There would be so many to add, to be sure, and not all of them would be of the same quality. - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 15:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Wiki region
I've been noticing a lot of pages spell things differently depending on the editor. "Color" spelled "Colour", "Favorite" spelled "Favourite" so I was thinking for consistency's sake whether we should make the Wiki UK based spelling, or US based spelling. It's not a huge deal, but I find it kind of silly when someone fixes a "spelling error" when it's only changing the words between regions. Jo the Marten 08:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose it would make sense if we went with the spelling (either US spelling or UK spelling) that the founder of this wiki uses. -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 15:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering that Valve is an American-based company, and they use American spellings in their games, I say we go with American spellings. I hope I haven't made any of those slips in my edits to the articles... - §tigma-231 ♠  o  ƒ  gr  eed { τalk }{¢ont } 15:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead 2 Achievments
In the news section we should announce that the left 4 dead 2 achievments list has been released at http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Achievements#Left_4_Dead_2. Timetogo 20:25, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead-specific pages
So now that L4D2 is coming out, I think we're going to have to rename-and-disambiguate a bunch of pages, now that we're covering two games. For example, I think Update info should be renamed to Update info (Left 4 Dead), and then of course we'll add Update info (Left 4 Dead 2).

However, I don't want to be a jerk and start making massive edits like that without a bit of community consensus. So... thoughts? takua108 08:51, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Half-Life
Is the Left 4 Dead Universe connected with the Half-Life universe?

I just found this awesome jukebox in The Parish level that played a bunch of songs, and I spammed the X-Button on it and got the 'Still alive' song from Portal.


 * No, it isn't. Left 4 Dead is suppose to take place in the present, where Half-Life takes place in the future. Still Alive was just an easter egg. Jo the Marten  ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  00:46, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Logo sugestion
If i'm correct the size of the logo can be up to 216px and that's what this wiki's skin uses, although i dont know if other skins need it to be smaller of if this wiki can even be viewed with another skin so i didn't modify anything but i made this version of the logo just in case you guys like. I guess it should be an admin who decides if it can be used.



And how it would look (composed on photoshop, click to see 1:1 size):

I hope you like though :P

// Th3Prophetm&lambda;&eta;  talk contribs 03:05, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks nice to me. I wonder how'd it look if someone tried to add the survivors + special infected in there :P EllisxZoey
 * Thanks. I think survivors and infected would be hard to make fit in such a tiny space though :P // Th3Prophetm&lambda;&eta;  talk contribs 03:28, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Pretty cool. We've actually had a new template in the works for a while. I'm afraid your logo probably wouldn't work with it though, but we'll see. Jo the Marten ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:41, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh cool :) I have the PSD and some other PSDs of the game logo and characters in highres and stuff like that, if there's anything i can do to help i'll be happy since i have work for quite a while on web design. // Th3Prophetm&lambda;&eta;  talk contribs 20:28, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, come to the chat some time. You can help brainstorm and help me write the code. Jo the Marten  ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  22:46, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Will do that then :) // Th3Prophetm&lambda;&eta;  talk contribs 15:23, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

This logo is better than the current one and the template still hasn't been updated (as far as know), so why don't we use this logo?--Verno 22:41, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hidden Jimmy Gibbs Zombie
http://www.fpsbanana.com/threads/163110?12

"So... I was scavenging through the L4D2 game files and I when I looked through the population.txt file, I found a zombie name that stuck out to me: common_male_jimmy.

So I started up the Atrium level of Dead Center and forced his model to load. Apparently it IS Jimmy Gibbs!"

66.253.170.175 20:39, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Update News
Since Left 4 Dead 2 has been released, why has no one updated the news?

It's there but for some reason the main page won't update it. You can see it when you click the full list of news. Jo the Marten ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  00:38, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

The DID YOU KNOW section
I don't think the hunter can see. Someone plz change this, I don't understand the coding thing... XxEvil DemonxX 00:35, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * It can't see? Then how do you play Versus as the Hunter? Jo the Marten  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  02:59, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Jo the Marten, it can't really see, but they probably made that on Versus to make it fair for Hunter players.
 * The hunter is like a dog. It has a sense of smell, it also has a sixth sense. You can see as a hunter in versus to better balance out gameplay. In left4dead you can see his eyes are gone, in left 4 dead 2 you can no longer see above his nose.
 * EarlyExecuter 14:17, April 19, 2011 (UTC)EarlyExecuter
 * EarlyExecuter 14:17, April 19, 2011 (UTC)EarlyExecuter

Front Page not User Friendly, More Icons Needed
I think the TF2 Wiki does a great job of compiling links to it's most important articles on the front page by having lots of icons to clearly show the content. So, I think the L4d Wiki should do something similar, but of course, not out right copy it. We should look at other video game wikis for more inspiration as well. The front page right now isn't exactly user friendly. --Verno 17:26, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

New news? L4D2, First Game Add on
http://store.steampowered.com/news/3237/

Didn't see anything about this yet, thought I'd share after I saw someone else post it.--Ana 21:59, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christimas
Merry Christimas to all of you! ^_^ <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 20:10, December 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Merry Xmas from the staff and from me. :) Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  20:49, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Ideas
I have some ideas I think this wiki needs a chatroom of some sort so the members can chat about improving the wiki and other things, Im just putting in one of my ideas. also bear with me Im kinda new here,. User:Francisfan3


 * We do have one, on the front page click where it says "IRC Channel". :) Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:38, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if we should crate a page for unused content. Hobbes348 02:02, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

"The Passing" exposed
You probably already know, but here:

http://www.hlportal.de/?sec=l4d&site=news&do=shownews&news_id=7660

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnfVEty_bBQ&feature

Sry the link's page is in Deutch, my friend sent it to me.

The new firearm weapon seen in video is M-60 Light MachineGun,

new rumored melee weapon (not featured in video) is Golf Club (makes me remember GTA Vice City) Can't wait for "The Passing" to be released to test new weapons on zombies, and, of course, the Tank.

Urik Kane 12:17, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Cheers
Cheers to the Passing's release!!!-General Q-Nek

An idea I've had
Mods have began to become more and more attached to the series with the voice actors doing custom lines for mods and what not. I was considering making Community pages for the mods. What do you guys think? Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  05:37, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could do, but what would fit the critera for inclusion, and how would it be done? A separate article for each, or one single article with subpages? Sera404 01:42, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was thinking as long as it was a finished campaign it could be put up. They'd each get their own page as well as chapter pages. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  15:18, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking by mods you meant things like the Skin and sound mods. User created campaigns are called Add-on's by steam. <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  15:28, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * So, using I dunno... Death Abroad as an example. The article would literally be "Death Abroad", or would it have something in front or behind the title to mark it as custom campaign? Sera404 15:30, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Up to Jo. But i would. For Example i make an article about the silent Hill add-on campaign. I would have a box at the top of the page saying its a user generated campaign. <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  15:43, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I suppose there should probably be a page which acts as a gateway to all the custom campaigns, maybe either called Add-Ons or Custom Campaigns. From there, each custom campaign can be linked from there. :3 Jo, pick one of them, and we'll get started on writing it out, haha. Sera404 15:59, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I started work on the Custom Campaigns article (found in my userarea), hehe. From there, we can link to more articles or something. :3 Sera404 17:07, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You should have started a main article. unregistered contributors can't see the page now. <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  17:09, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not prepared to be put up yet, waiting for consent from Jo first :3 Sera404 17:25, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I went on a proxy and the guy on L4DMods said we should ask the map makers for permission. Here's what I was planning on with the pages. They'll be like regular pages, however they'll have Mod: At the beginning of the page name. (Similar to Template: And Category: pages) Then I'll make a template for the campaigns when I get home. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:38, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * L4DMods? But what about L4Dmaps, which was where I grabbed the links from? :3 Sera404 18:07, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also campaigns on L4Dmods. <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  18:18, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * So has any contact been made with L4Dmaps and if so, what did they say? :o Sera404 01:55, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Idea
For the Soundtrack shortcut, can we put the "KILLING THEM SWIFTLY TO THIS SONG" achievement icon?  Pikmin  1254 


 * I think it's fine the way it is, but if anyone else thinks otherwise, I guess I could change it. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  15:21, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, someone already did it.


 * What about the Brain Salad achievement icon for the AI Director? SandyK1LL
 * Actually I did make that icon, but DeathBlade182 didn't like it. I'm hoping to replace the Source icon for the director with achievement related icon soon. Any ideas?--Verno 04:19, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been thinking about that, and to be sincere, I have no idea what achievement icon we can use... perhaps Outbreak? However, if the community prefers Brain Salad, then I guess we can use it, however, I'm not good enough at Photoshop to remove the "100" and still make it look good, someone else would have to do it. DeathBlade182 04:31, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * So is this good then?Verno 21:37, May 18, 2010 (UTC) [[File:The Director.png]]
 * Well, I can fix it so that the sides aren't so rough, but the image itself looks kinda weird where the "100" used to be. We could use it until we get better image, however, taking into consideration I already listened to your other proposals, I want to hear opinions from others before doing anything. DeathBlade182 21:54, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good thinking, Here's a few more possibilities for The Director...
 * [[File:Outbreak_D.png]][[File:Time_D.png]][[File:Power_D.png]][[File:GNOME_D.png]]
 * Personally, I'd support the gnome one, but Quick Power seems to be the most appropriate one... you know, since the Director is technically a machine. I guess we can use that one for now, but if anyone comes up with a better idea for this or any other icon, feel free to tell us. DeathBlade182 22:46, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Reach background
It looks like every single wiki I go to has Halo: Reach as it's background for the main page. WTF? This never happened to me before, for anything else, ever.
 * Something is wrong with your computer then. <font color="Gold">GeneralOwnage55 <font color="Orange">The Message Box  14:04, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Custom Answer Site
A lot of people are starting to use the answer site, so I was thinking the Left 4 Dead Wiki should have their own custom one. Besides looking nicer, we can probably put a waring on the custom site about not posting Left 4 Dead 3 questions.--Verno 13:18, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * why is people always asking for L4D 3, i mean we doesn't even know it's gonna come out, or valve is making one out there??? Crazy al594 09:10, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Does anyone now how I can contact Valve.Because I have an idea for a new campaign.

Thanks JAck Ambush 19:22, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Make it yourself. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  21:04, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Staff team
I think this wiki needs a good strong staff team. Not just admins, but people who know a lot about weapons to work on weapon articles, people to update the blog post among other things. So I think I'm gonna work on getting this wiki set up for such things. Guess first of all I'll make a request for staff positions page. Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  21:35, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reference/Easter egg page
I think this wiki should have a page to list all references to other games/Easter eggs. A lot of other game based wiki's do it and I think it would make this wiki look a lot more well done125.238.72.243 05:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Added the Alien Swarm Wiki to the Valve Wiki Network
Since no one has done it yet, I thought I'd do that, is that okay? Masterlegodude 12:53, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Alien Swarm Wiki
There seems to be a mistake in your VWN section. Swarm Hub is not the Alien Swarm Wiki it is a totally independent English and Russian language website at wiki.swarmhub.net, the real Alien Swarm Wiki is at alienswarm.wikia.com. It is hosted on Wikia.


 * No. Smashman2 14:51, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Alien Swarm Wiki seems to have been done better than the Swarm Hub Wiki though, they've already got the achievements and everything... Masterlegodude 15:13, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * And Smashman seems to be trying to squash any discussion on the matter. We never voted on the matter, we were never as a group offered the chance to come to a consensus vote on whether we wanted to join the Valve WIki Network, we also have the more polished site. But since he's a Sysop at the Team Fortress wiki he took it upon himself to name his self the official Alien Swarm Wiki. That is very poor form. I've put up a --Basique 16:59, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Map idea?
Here's one try to make a map of Millhaven from the Sacrifice Comic for both L4D & L4D2.But use only these Weapons and Ideas

-All Tier 2 weapons.

-Regular Pistols and the Desert Eagle Magnum.

-If Possible All the International Weapons  such as the H&K MP5,SIG SG552,Steyr Scout,Accuracy AWSM Sniper Rifle,And the Com bat knife.

-All the weapon upgrades Laser sights,Incendiary Ammo,Explosive ammo.

-Only have the Boomer Bile grenade.

-Use only these melee weapons The Crowbar,Axe,and the Chainsaw.

-Have the Grenade Launcher,and the M60.

-Only use the following Tier 1 weapons Silent SMG,and Regular SMG.

-Only have the Explosive barrel,Propane tank,Oxygen tank,and Gas can.

-Plus also use the Heavy Machine gun,or Minigun whatever version your using.

-Make the escape vehicle a train.

-You may use two levels or more.

-If possible have Louis and Franscis appear at a Cell that has the door opened and have Bill and Zoey appear at the doctor's office if not have them appear at the truck that the Soldier was driving in Blood Harvest.

I would like it especially the start off split up idea fucking badass.:)Sniperteam82308 00:42, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Bill:The Sacrifice Unused lines
There are some Unused lines in The Sacrifice files for Bill could someone put them in the Bill Cut Quotes? Yeah---No 01:40, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

VWN box
The text was changed to white in that box to make it legible, why have text if you can't see it, and in that one box, black text on a black background makes it invisible. — Game widow 18:01, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Aye, I see that now. At the time you edited it I still saw the Wiki in the old style. Now that it's the new style I see what you were doing. But why it's black I don't know. I'm doing work on the front page so I'll see if I can fix it. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:32, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the answer is no but can we go back to Monoco or whatever the old version was? I mean this version makes things harder to see and find for me and it took me about half an hour just to find the recent activity page.Sniperteam82308 18:58, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Temporarily yes. But this will become the official layout next week or so. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  19:20, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well then I suppose it would be best to keep it like this so we can get used to it before we go to the point of no return. I also like the side ground or whatever you would call it with the buildings and moon reminds me of Fairfeild ahh good memories, or has it always been like that and I didn't notice?Sniperteam82308 01:57, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I put it up today. It is Fairfield actually. :D I took a screenshot in-game of the distant buildings. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  02:01, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Blue or Green?
While getting the Wiki more prepared for the transition from the old layout to the new, I changed the color of links from blue to green. But I want to know what everyone thinks. Is the green better? Worse? Is there a color you guys think would fit better than blue or green? I thought blue sorta stood out too much and seemed out of place. I want to hear your opinions. Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  22:15, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Green's ok, it gives another color scheme to the wikiGabriel 95 22:26, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yea greens good looks much better than the blue but I would aslo consider red as being good if it were the red for your sig Jo. As a personal side note, I hate wikia why do they do this to us we were perfectly fine and they just ruined it.:(Sniperteam82308 01:54, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Eh, well. Don't just blame Wikia. Every website does this every now and again. I'm trying to make the transition as easy as possible for users. I don't want everyone to get confused. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  02:02, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I really like the green. It goes perfectly with the Left 4 Dead hand cover art. Nightmirage 02:10, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I really like the green. It goes perfectly with the Left 4 Dead hand cover art. Nightmirage 02:10, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I suppose I shouldn't blame wikia but most websites do it for the better this seems worse currently, mostly because I can currently only edit blogs and talk pages not just here but nearly everywhere. So have you thought about the red of your sig. as the link thing because I personally belive that would look awesome.Sniperteam82308 02:19, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah. I don't think red would look well. Red is a more "alert" color than blue or green which are more calm colors. I don't want people to feel alert when looking at links. XD Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  03:13, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * You should make the green link color brighter, I can hardly read it. 95.222.100.141 23:58, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * You should make the green link color brighter, I can hardly read it. 95.222.100.141 23:58, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

unclosed tag on main page
The reason it says 'Retrieved from "http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Left_4_Dead_Wiki" ' at the bottom of the main page right now is that more than likely one of the  tags has no matching  , but it could be any unmatched tag. I've tried to find it, but had no luck so far, because the layout is complicated. On a different note, the wikia gaming banner at the bottom does not have to be there, if you don't want it. It's an old banner that wikia no longer puts on gaming pages. — Game widow 17:30, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Rochelle?..
Rochelle is missing from the Survivors tab. Anyone care to fix this? 'Cause I don't know how to..lol :pp Thanks anyway. SaverOfHumens 09:15, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a cap of 7 items on the topbar menu thing, which is weird because the wikia menu above allows horizontal menus, increasing their limit (5 x 4) to 20. D: Sera404 09:18, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^^^What Sera said.^^^ Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:53, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Drop down menus
I want to know the best way I can alter the drop down menus at the top of the site. I've had a few people mention how certain things are missing and I sincerely apologize, I have no power to add more than the set amount of menus and items within menus. I wanna know what everyone wants to see and what doesn't need to be up there. The statistics you'll need to know is that there can only be a maximum of four menus and seven items maximum within a menu. There are no submenus. The Navigator menu can be removed if people would prefer it. I just put that up temporarily so people could have tools they'll need at their disposal. So lemme know what everyone wants to see. Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  07:00, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hrm... Maybe Survivors should have the options of Left 4 Dead Survivors, Left 4 Dead 2 Survivors, NPC Survivors?


 * Infected could have Common Infected, Uncommon Infected, Special Infected (may move this from The Infected to its own article later, perhaps), The Witch, The Tank?


 * I'm not sure what to do for Weapons... there's too many, and there's no page for an overall "All items" page to be the main link with Weapons, Grenades, Healing items, etc to be the dropdown options... Sera404 10:20, November 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe with weapons we can list them based on tier? First Tier, Second Tier, Other Tier, Healing items. Something like that. I dunno. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  14:36, November 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I turned the Tiers on the weapon page into subheaders so they're still the same appearance, but we can link to them now if required. :3 Hrm. Left 4 Dead Weapons, Left 4 Dead 2 Weapons, Special Weapons, Sidearms, Melee Weapons, Other Weapons, Healing items. Seven in menu. :D Sera404 15:06, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Gonna replace "Other Tier" with the International Weapons since Other Tier and Special Tier link to the same location. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  15:13, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Edit: Okay, it doesn't like linking to sections apparently, so I'm gonna link directly and make redirects. If that makes sense. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  15:22, November 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would like to see a DLC drop-down menu. Perhaps all the DLC listed in release order with the game afterwards in parenthesis and unlinked to avoid mis-clicking. Such as "The Passing (L4D2)". 71.88.173.2 04:35, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

About the Weapons Page
Sera404 if you're wondering who edited the weapon page, I was because I saw the weapons page only shows External Sponsor Links (also forgot to log in)

Tried to use the old revision and also tried to fix it

By the way, can I add my upcoming Weapons Demonstration on both L4D1 and 2? KirjiroSenzuki (no page yet) 11:30 AM, November 17, 2010 (PST)

The venerable GOOMBA stomp
I have been looking through this wiki (which is very nice, by the way, all the members have done a good job!) was just a little bit surprised that for as comprehensive as this is, there doesn't seem to be any mention of the 'goomba stomp' method of killing common infected. I know, I know, it is ultimately more of a novel gimmick (though not always, there are plenty of times this has come in handy) but because it is unique, to the point of providing a bit of comic relief to the otherwise tense and dark atmosphere of the game, well... Would it be asking too much to at least give it a mention somewhere? Goodbyekitty 08:02, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean this?

"Common Infected are only strong in numbers. Sticking together is key to keeping them off you and your teammates' backs. If you are concerned about conserving ammunition, consider using the pistol, which kills them in just a few shots or in one head shot on any difficulty, not to mention it has infinite ammo. It is possible to kill a Common Infected simply by jumping on their heads. To do so, simply walk off an edge which is at least a little taller than the Common Infected, and onto their head. Hitting a Common Infected from behind can instantly kill them, and earn the player the "Spinal Tap" achievement." Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  22:07, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ahhhhhhhhhh, very very nice thank you for setting me on the right path! Guess it's time to get a stronger prescription strength, eh? :) Goodbyekitty 00:01, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead 3?
Has it been officially anouced yet? I can't find anything on it... Here or otherwise

No. I've heard rumors that they're gonna announce Ep 3 at E3 though.

I saw it for a split second during an ad for E3.Atlas Lied! 07:17, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Favorite loadout?
What is your choice loadout?

Mine is SPAS-12, Katana,Molotov, Health Kit,Adrenaline.

Ever heard of "sign your username"? If not, get a clue, please. Zombiekiller14  AWESOME!!  18:05, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Useless notes...
I've been looking around and I've noticed someone has been putting notes on pages that are absolutly pointless, such as "''Falling into the water at Earl's Gator Village will kill an unlucky Survivor and this could be interpreted as a gator attributed death﻿." ''That makes no scence...But since I have no Edting-Skils, I can't change anything. It's on alot of pages, much too many to name...Mostly it's on pages for Chapters and Campains...Anyway, thougt I could help.

Little sister7364 22:42, March 15, 2011 (UTC)Little_sister7364

New page, need permission to do so
I need permission from an admin to see if i could open up a new page for custom made gametypes and custom made challenges. If it would be possible to do this let me knowEarlyExecuter 18:28, April 21, 2011 (UTC)EarlyExecuter


 * What exactly would the point be of such a page? Is it something which already exists in-game or is it just all made up or not even existing? If you're thinking about it in terms of discussion, then it may be something better suited towards a forum such as the official ones. Sera404 20:25, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

WAV files?
Any chance of getting these? Both this one and the HL wiki lack wav files but the Portal and TF2 ones have them? Mattwo 23:19, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

This Wiki has some small faults in it, it must be changed Witaker's Quote that the star is wrong look it up.

I thought I saw...
I thought I saw Sandra or thr Witch in part one of the Sacrifice Comic,when the Armored truck is entering Millhaven(I think.).

Forums?
I think it would be great if we added forums like they have on the Assassins creed wiki, it would be a great way to encourage more people to visit more 58.161.64.197 06:49, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * We have one. It's even posted on the main page. It is discouraged to use Wikia's forum because it clogs up the recent changes. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  09:09, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Unlisted Witch Tactic: Molotov/Gas combo
Hi!

I've found this wiki particularly useful in some respects and want to provide a big witch-killing tip I didn't see listed under "Other Witch-killing tactics". The page is locked from editing, so I was hoping an admin/sysop might temporarily unlock/grant editing powers, or just add this tip themselves to the page in bold.

In L4D2, if you encounter a witch and have access to a molotov AND gas can: toss the gas can near enough to the witch that, if ignited, the witch will catch fire. Then, throw your molotov near enough to the gas can that it will ignite the can BUT NOT THE WITCH. If you do this, the witch will catch fire without agroing the player, will wander aimlessly, and may be shot at without drawing her ire.

A similar result may be achieved with other combinations, such as: 2 gas tanks (one directly/indirectly ignited), a propane tank (indirectly ingnited) and a molotov, a propane tank (indirectly ignited) and a gas can. I do not recommend trying to directly ignite a propane tank1 to indirectly ingnite a propane tank2 or a gas can.

Should we have a "User Theories" page?
I think it would be a good idea to have one page dedicated to user theories, i.e. I think the witch cries because..., I think this SI does this because of that... etc. We could clean out the theories from the other pages and have them neatly organized. Thoughts? - KingMurdoc


 * If you wish to discuss theories, there's always the steam forums. :3 BTW, to sign your posts, use ~ . Sera404 06:40, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * From site notice: 1. NO TRIVIA 2. NO SPECULATION 3. NO PERSONAL OPINIONS. This Wiki is a place of factual information. Like Sera said, opinions and speculation belong on a forum or a blog, not an encyclopedia that people use for serious reference. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  07:19, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just that I've noticed the theories sneaking theit way into the pages, and I'm too lazy to go join the forums.
 * BTW, to admins/mods viewing this, I'm not signing using the sig button because it shows my IP for some reason. -King Murdoc
 * This is because you're not signed into your account (if you have created one). Once you're signed in, most ads should disappear as well.  Sera404 07:07, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

About the Combine Over Wiki
The Combine Over Wiki had been left by its admins and founders since June and their website is now on www.combineoverwiki.net Just to let you know... about the VWN box.


 * I'm well aware of the Combine Over Wiki moving. Klow has been discussing it with me since before June. But as you can see, that site you linked is merely a teaser, there is no actual info. So until he completes the new website, the link in VWN will remain the same. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  22:51, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Dog Food vs. Solar Message Sign
How does the Solar Message Sign get a page but the dog food doesn't?Foxi Hooves 01:43, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I was Playing on The Parish at the begining (the waterfront) and a Charger Charged at Killed Rochelle but Ellis got glitched and was Half-way through the Dock any Answers?

Hey i forgot to sign m ypost i'll repost it "i wa splaying at The Docks(in The Parish) at the Beginning (the very beginning where you get your wepons and Med-Kits) and a Charger charged and Killed Rochelle but Ellis got Glitched Half-way through the Dock any Answers anybody?KungLao37565 18:36, March 21, 2012 (UTC)KungLao37565.