Talk:The Hunter

"...this boss-infected will whisper dark phrases and growl to alert you of his presence"

I've never heard Hunters say anything, not while playing as them, not while dealing with them face-to-face. Has anybody else actually heard them say an intelligible phrase? If so, what? - Stigma-231 † God is dead • [ talk  ] [ cont  ] 16:02, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I havnt heard them say anything, but i play with subtitles on, and, quite a few times today, actually, the subs said "hunter voice." This is odd, because the growling is just titled as "Hunter Growling". so, i cant think of anything else it could be. anyone hav any help?--Supermutantslayer450 03:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC) Oh, has also happened with a Smoker, too.--Supermutantslayer 450  RO A  R! 21:15, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

"The Hunter bonus pounce damage is based on how far you traveled horizontally, therefore launching straight up or down is not the most effective pounce." I'm not sure if this is correct. I've done some pounces with nearly zero horinzontal travel (kind of drop-pounce from a roof or from a fire staircases in some alleys) and still did some damage, up to 9. Replica88 12:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I just tested this in a listen server - I can get 22 damage off the top of a fire escape in the first part of No Mercy, with virtually no horizontal movement. Combined with the fact that I can get 5 damage by pouncing on the same horizontal plane but really far away (which rules out velocity since the magnitude of the hunter's velocity would be the same as a point-blank pounce, where you do no extra damage), it seems like the only other good explanation is time spent in the air. I'll do some more tests. ArchibaldMcKaig 22:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

From what I understand, the initial pounce damage is related to the distance traveled from the last surface you've touched to the point where you hit your victim. This explains why a vertical jump starting from next to your victim does no damage, and why higher/farther jumps do more damage. This would also explain the usual low damage of wall-jumps within an alley or corridor. Snakexdude11 21:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC) 21:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC

Should it be mentioned that the Hunter doesn't actually have any eyes? If you use a model viewer and close up on where his eyes should be, it's just hollowed out with blood around them. CloudT 18:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * "Hitting them in the back does extra damage."

Is this true? I've played as a Hunter many times before and slashed them in the front and back, and it seemed to do the same amount of damage. Can anyone confirm this is true? It doesn't seem likely. BlackliteWrath 8:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
Hey, can somebody try to get some more screen shots of the Hunter? Maybe take one of a Survivor that's been pinned down, and/or one of a Hunter crouching, and possibly even a Hunter mid-pounce? - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 17:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please try and get a shot of under the hunters hood. Like just a screen shot of his face sorta looking up.

I found this picture of a Hunter on the internet.. Could this work? BlackliteWrath 03:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Nice find! - §tigma-231  ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 03:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done uploading the pictures you requested, quest completed, now can I have my 500 exp and 10 gold? xD
 * I'll try to add more pictures right now, I added some to the Boomer too. Zikkun 20:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I've got more pictures of Boomers, Tanks, Hunters, Smokers, and Witches. I'll see if I can scrounge them up and add them later. BlackliteWrath 13:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Flaming Hunter double damage
I'm not 100% certain, but I believe the fire also affects the melee damage. IE: 20 damage over 10 in the 360 version and 12 damage over 6 in the PC version. ~Yuki Hinamori
 * My understanding is the fire only increases melee damage, and does nothing to increase the leap damage. Nite01002 13:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, fire does nothing for melee or pounce damage, it just does a base 10 damage per second...Akkryls 13:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

A flaming hunter does do more damage. Since it's on fire, it doesn't last very long, but it does do a lot more damage. I don't know exactly the multiplier on the damage. However, fire doesn't affect impact damage from a long-range pounce, just the claw damage being dealt during the pounce attack. BlackliteWrath 8:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The most recent update nullifies the flaming hunter trick now. =[ Waterga74 01:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Not true. The recent update complicates the issue, but doesn't remove the damage.  Whether or not there's additional flame damage depends on where the flame comes from.  "Enviornmental" flame (flaming barrels, preexisting fire, etc.) catches the hunter on fire and damages him, but doesn't increase damage to the pounced.  However, survivor-caused fire (Molotovs, gas cans, etc.) damages the hunter and adds additional damage to the pounced survivor during melee (although less than it used to be).  Nite01002 10:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Outfits
"Oddly enough, the Hunter always seems to have the same clothing combination, as opposed to other boss infected such as the Smoker who tend to have different clothes."

What? I've never seen any special infected have any variety in clothes, at least, not on the PC version. Also, I've got some pictures of the boss infected, (32, including the crappy shots) I'll get to uploading the good shots sooner or later.. Waterga74 01:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Likewise, I've never seen any other alternate combination of clothes. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ]

I know Why can't they make a variaty of diffrent infected like a hunter with a red sweater and a smoker without a long sleave shirt.-Grunt Lord

Hunters Eyes
Does the Hunter, REALLY not have eyes? If so, does he move by sonar? Because everytime before he attacks he screams...to project a greater view of his target?


 * idk.. I'll try to get a picture of beneath the hood, but I saw it and its all red... I only saw it from an infected's point of view, so it might just be like the other infected's eyes... all one color...

Waterga74 14:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC) sign your posts! D=<

Hunters have eyes. When I was a Hunter in Verseus i died and saw his eyes! They looked like red you can see the sparkle in the eyes when there dead. --Kirby888 18:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

okay yeah. Maybe some blood vessels burst in his eyes *pain* waterga74 05:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna shoot you guys, why didn't you take a screenshot?! xD
 * Next time PLEASE take good screenshot and upload it near the Hunter's trivia, it's really wanted here. Zikkun 16:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Peaple the hunter dosnot have eyes because valve didnot have to make any. thay probly aded the hood to save money meaning not making eyes.Zombie killer1996

Kirby888 are u sure that just wasn't light reflecting off of the blood? I would like to believe that the hunters eyes were causing him pain so he clawed them out. All of the growling and screeching could possibly be his sonar or echolocation. But that's just my opinion. I'm not saying its a fact. --demonpiggy09--

Strange. The picture of the Hunter's face - looking up at the camera with bloodied teeth - does not look like he is missing his eyes, although the tissue surrounding the eyes is red and infected looking. Actually, he looks like his eyes are black and shiny. They kind of remind me of Riddick's "eyeshine" effect when light hits the character's eyes causing them to glitter oddly. They really don't look like empty sockets at all. Atypicaloracle 06:46, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Issues With The Trivia
* Oddly enough, the Hunter always seems to have the same clothing combination, as opposed to other boss infected such as the Smoker who tend to have different clothes. The hood on the Hunter always hides its face.

-as stated above, this is incorrect. All boss infected have the exact same apperal on. Tanks always have only jeans, Smokers always have a green overshirt over a white shirt, with blue jeans, and a Witch is always scantily clad, and has extremely pale skin.

* People love to mod and give the hunter a superman costume.

-It may help to explain why. I understand why, but many others may not. (Hunters fly through the air, arms stretched, similarly to Superman)

* The Hunters attire is based off of those worn by "Extreme Jumpers" who are known for jumping off of high places onto the ground completely unharmed.

-Free Runners?

* Strangely the Hunter has duct-tape on its arms and legs possibly representing Rank.

-I think not...

waterga74 22:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

-I think it's to prevent injury to his legs or arms when jumping from high places. Remember he was human once.

-this is a joke from a internet video called: how to a good hunter-boomers day off

Totemtrouser 03:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)totemtrouserTotemtrouser 03:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hunter is a "Dog"
"The hunter may be someone that got the special strain of the infection from a dog, leading to its growling, pounce, its jumping ability, and "crawl" when it is crouching"
 * "The Zombie Survival Guide" by Max Brooks clealy states that animals are only killed when confronted with the Solanum virus, never contaminated. As Turtle Rock Studios, and later Valve, had the survival guide in mind, it's almost definite the dog is not the case. Just putting this out there. 77.103.41.86 12:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

'''/DISCLAIMER: The following post contains a rant from a person who will not stop once he gets started. the poster holds no reliability for QQing as a result of reading this. you have been warned./'''

your a dumbass man. the infection and solanum are two different things! max brooks says that the undead can not run, or preform any strenuios movement. and they can only be killed by destroying the brain. you can not be immune to solanum. i could go on, but I wont. tldr: the infection is not solanum, and youd have to be an idiot to think so. Legofan94 15:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Be nice, Legofan. - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 15:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

=( but hees ROOOONG mr. stigma ._.Legofan94 15:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Miss. But you don't have to be mean about it. - §tigma-231  ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 15:44, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

... this is awkward... why do I always assume gamer girls to be guys... how do I respond to this? ._.Legofan94 15:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Most people do. It's a little odd. - §tigma-231  ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 15:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

its probably and evoled form of the IDEA of having a dog as a special infected since a dog would be hard to see and would be easy to knock off and so they made it a person

Totemtrouser 03:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)totemtrouserTotemtrouser 03:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

In response to Legofan, please don't call me a dumbass. The Special and Common Infected have the ability to run to make gameplay interesting and immediate. However, I wasn't thinking straight - the break around 100 rules. It was a DIFFERENT source the developers looked into concerning the personality and attributes of zombies. Sorry about that. 77.103.41.86 08:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I appologize about the dumbass (pronounce Du-mawsse) incident. i periodicaly go into fits of RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE when someone applies the cf and sf to max brooks. there people. just people. that are rabid. and stuff. yah... bury the hatchet?Legofan94 13:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Flaming hunters?
Does anyone know the DPS that being on fire adds? Or how much health you lose per second?--68.96.225.23 05:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Testing the damage that the fire adds might be a problem to find out, but the number of health the Hunter loses is pretty easy, I'll try to add it next time when I get to play as a Hunter. You should do it too, everybody is here to help everybody. Zikkun 06:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Hunter Glitch
I was playing with my friend one time on Dead Air and we are in the cubicles in The Crane. Then, after a Horde and a Witch attack, I spotted a Hunter in a room, not making any sounds and just jogging in circles. Glitch? Dabrules 11:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Dowt it--User:TeriffiedToxic Life as we know it will end soon I think.. 13:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Probably a way to keep physically fit for pouncing, scratching and shrieking on a day-to-day basis. Dabrules 10:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hunter Vs Witch
Why does the hunter sometimes attack the witch I don't understand--User:TeriffiedToxic Life as we know it will end soon I think.. 08:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It happened to me too. It also happened with a smoker and a tank. Probably they just hate the witch. Dabrules 11:48, 14 July 2009

Lol Probually But theres got to be a resonable explanation for it though--User:TeriffiedToxic Life as we know it will end soon I think.. 13:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

We wonder why the Witch crys.......

Witch: OH MY GOD WHY DOES HE HIT ME!!!!!!!!

Hunter: SHUT UP BITCH!!!!!!! --Kirby888 02:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I have a theory: The Special Infected hit (or vomit on) her is because she still has some humanity left on her, which explains her crying. Probably the special infected could sense that, and they attack her for it. Poor witch. Dabrules 9:20, 23 July 2009

na na i was playing with 3 of my frends chris, chris (yes theyre both named chris) and jordan, anyway we was trying to do a race to the saferoom on the 360(more of a challenge) then we heard the witch and we saw the witch and the hunter hit the witch causing her to get startled and she went straight for jordan the si attack the witch so she can kick a survivors ass try it on versus when ur infected and a witch spawns get behind her then when she starts getting up claw her and bam Riley Heligo 10:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Hunter's Tape?
Why does the Hunter have tape on his clothes?If he had tape on him,wouldn't that mean he knew he was infected?And even then,If he knew he was infected,then how did he know he was going to turn into a Hunter?That either means that you show signs of being an SI before you're fully infected,or he put the tape on after he was infected,wouldn't it?Bigens 01:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I am actually currently working on a psychological/physical report of all the infected. One thing I mention is that an infected is not the same thing as a zombie.  An infected is aware and has intelligence, but it is very limited.  That is why they can do the things they do.  You think a Smoker just "tongues" survivors on instinct?  And why does the Tank specifically go for the survivors?  Same with the Hunter, Witch, and the infected themselves?  Because they are slightly intelligent.  But when my report comes out it will make more sense once it is all put together.  So basically to answer your question the Hunter does this to prevent wind resistance with it's semi-intelligence. Darthscyrone 02:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * my guess is that the Hunter was into parkour before he got infected.


 * You may as well be asking why all would-be Witches have the exact same hairstyle or why they strip down to their underwear before/after they turn. Or why Smokers all wear the same clothes and all are/end up being the same height. 86.12.2.109 23:57, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hey Darthscyrone, would it be okay if I see this report? I find things like this fascinating, and I would love to see this.--Brain Golem 22:54, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

i noticed that the Hunter tape looks like first aid bandages (the few seconds it appears when a Survivor is using one) maybe he was a survivor that liked the F-aid bandages? of course, this is just my theorising, and should npt be regarded as canon ^_^; Veranen 10:16, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Left 4 dead 2

 * I think Valve should revise the appearance of the Hunter in L4D2. Does it make any sense that a person would have been wearing a gray sweatshirt and brown sweatpants prior to the infection in New Orleans? Its gotta be like 70 or 80 degrees normally, right? who would wear that kind of attire that far south?


 * Well they said they were going to. So we'll see what they come up with. I think it's funny how people freak out over sweatshirts in the south. I live in the South and I wear sweatshirts all the time. They don't bother me. Jo the Marten  03:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw somewhere that they said they will change hunter appearance because hoodies are not really southern ish style. Powers38Talk 04:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I gotta say, it just seems weird that you can wear a sweatshirt down there, and not feel hot. It just duznt seem rite. SuperMutantSlayer450


 * Well I'm sorry it seems so "weird" to you. I'm sure some people think frozen rain is a sign of the apocalypse just cause it doesn't seem "right". But people wear sweatshirts down here just like anywhere else. It's not like we're in the Amazon. Jo the Marten  06:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey sorry about that jo. Im NOT saying anything like "anyone who wears a sweatshirt down south is a messed up freak". im sorry if i offended you, cause i wuznt tryin to. I just thought you could get hot in a sweatshirt that is usually warm, and, in addition, dark colors (like gray and brown) tend to absorb more heat. Plus the fact its closer to the eqautor, meaning it would probably get hot down there. perhaps i have to study my geography more... but, ya, sorry. Could we just put this behind us and be friends? But, now that i think about it, how can you change a hunter, make him still look cool, but not have a hoodie? --Supermutantslayer450 00:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Er...you didn't offend me. I was just saying. People should take into consideration that the infection causes a rapid decrease in body temperature. Perhaps the guy put on his jacket since he felt cold and next thing he knew he was a Hunter! Either that, or the fact that this game takes place around the winter or autumn. Remember in L4D how all those people died around October, and the game takes place 2 weeks after the infection? L4D2 takes place only a few weeks after L4D. Jo the Marten  00:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Those are good and reasonble thoughts but I doubt that will be in it. This isn't like Half-Life, where Valve knows the gamer loves thinking deep into the story. This game is more multiplayer thought process where the plot and details matter less. I think it would be cool if there was something like multible skins for the differnt infected and you could play as the old ones in 2 but more likely it will be some over the top seterotype. That's what left L4D has, all sterotypes. Up north you had the (Skater?) Hoodlum with his hoodie on as the Hunter. Down south it will be something like a guy with a cowboy hat drawn down to cover his eyes. Look at the Spitter and Charger. They both repersent southern sterotypes. A white trash hic with aspitting habbit and a overly musculer farmer in overall (bouns if you count him making donkey like sounds, like a plow mule.)Crossy the Coward 13:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hunter Outfit?
I know the Hunter wears a navy blue / dark gray hooded sweatshirt, but what about the pants? Are they sweatpants, khaki slacks or jeans?--99.49.90.168 01:18, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

I'd say just khaki's or regular pants. When I did my Hunter costume I just went out and got regular pants. Guessing that's why you asked? =) If so I can give you some advice on details and how to make life easier on yourself when making it. Jo the Marten  ( Shriek ) 03:08, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Good Ambush Spots
Ok. WTF! i spent like an hour writing that section, and then someone deleted a crapload of the places you could attack from. If an admin could replace those, could you please?--Supermutantslayer450 02:11, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot of it was really repetitive or obvious things (like jumping from the roof of a building). Just cause jumping from a rooftop does damage, you don't need to list EVERY building in the whole game you can leap off of. Also a lot of is had already been stated in the Tactics section. I didn't "delete it" necessarily. I simplified it. The shorter and to the point you can make it, the better. Jo the Marten  ( Shriek ) 02:27, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a wiki. Your contributions will be edited and re-edited mercilessly.  Don't expect for much of what you've added to stay all that long. - §tigma-231  ♠  o  ƒ  gr  eed { τalk }{¢ont } 02:29, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

ok. sorry for overreacting.--Supermutantslayer450 14:21, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

New images.
Hey, y'know the new images in the L4D2 bit? Showing his new, sleeveless design? What video did you get that from, could you post a link?

Hunter Physiology
I'm no Ph.D, but part of the Hunter's massive jump might be contributed to hollow but strong bones, similar to those of a bird's. They are not as hollowed-out as a bird's - nobody wants a Hunter's legs to snap on landing - but not as dense as a human's. Think this can be inserted into the article? Biot 01:15, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Eh, if it isn't a proven fact(i.e. stated by Valve), then I don't think it should be here. Bone hollowing would make him light, and possibly cause him to fly. Survivors could push him right off. I say it's muscle growth since he seems as heavy as any ordinary person with his stature. Jo the Marten ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  01:47, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I have to agree with Biot. Simply having hollow bones wouldn't cause the Hunter to have the ability to fly as he's missing about every other aspect needed to fly (Like a sort of way to keep himself in the air after launch, among other things). And regarding your idea about the survivors being able to push him off, that's not precisely true. Hollow bones doesn't mean he's as light as a feather, the Hunter could still weight around 70 or so pounds and still keep a person pinned-if not less; Have you ever tried lifting off a rabid dog tearing at your flesh? I'm darn well difficult to do. And I thought there were already a couple of facts shown in other Infected pages that have no basis. Oh, but I don't mean to be rude if I put that off. I was just wondering.

If the Hunter had hollow bones, wouldn't cause them to weaken? mabye not by a massive degree but if too the bones where too hollow, they would snap on impact with the ground (or unforutunate survivor). It's more likely that his muscle dencity has just increased dramtically along with the fact that some of his organs might be wasteing away (do infected even need their livers anymore?).--Boomman97 16:59, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really, no. It's a matter of comparative size - a bird's bones seem fragile to you because most birds are nowhere near your size. Atypicaloracle 06:40, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

What the Hunter was before infection.
He is not a football player.

He is simply a runner. As in people who jump around on things and stuff. Search Runners on youtube or wikipedia.--Kirby888 04:39, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

They're called Free Runners. --'Meester SHOGUN 450  RO A  R! 04:44, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

He did parkour. I know a lot of people debate it, but I've heard it from Ted Backman himself (the man who designed the Hunter) that he was designed after the people who participate in parkour activities. Jo the Marten ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  04:58, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

It may have been some sort of gangster before the infection and when he got ifected he wore tape so he got blood clots than the tape loosend up wich cause the hunter to have enoughblood in his arms and legs to alow the hunter to leap great distanses.-Grunt Lord

A Theory on The Hunter's Clothes
I was thinking for while now and I came up with a theory that I think is pretty plausible for the hunter's main appearance attribute: The hooded clothes. To simply put it, my theory of why all Hunters are hooded is because their particular strain of infection causes the Hunter's skin to become increasingly sensitive to light due to a loss of melanin concentration. This is why the Hunter in l4d 1 was so bleached up: because it essentially became an albino and the hooded clothes protects the Hunter from the burning sun. But of course, this raises the question about the l4d2 Hunter; That Hunter has a sort of orange color and doesn't wear as much protective clothing. But I can explain this too. The reason why the l4d2 Hunter has an orange tint and is covered with boils is because the Hunter isn't fully protected from the sun light and thus is "burning" its skin, leading to the l4d2 Hunter's color and texture. So all in all, the Hunter is always hooded because the strain causes the host's skin to loose resistance to the Sun, so all the nude/unhooded Hunters are DEAD. But I still have no clue why all Hunters are guys... I guess Valve kicked away that issue.
 * Same reason that all Witches appear to be female - the virus has multiple strains causing differing mutations, and this one (unlike the Boomer strain) just happens to be picky about gender. Atypicaloracle 06:43, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

that is a plausible theory, but aren't most zombies the same or simaler colors in the first place? and in l4d2 i think it's just the lighting effects from the sun making him appear orange because at night he looked a simaler color as l4d1. plus in l4d1 maybe you just can't see the boils because his clothes aren't torn up. User:Sgt. Maine

Theory in L4D2 Hunters profile.
"There is a large patch of missing skin on its right wrist, most likely due to him trying to remove the duct tape from himself either by chewing or scratching." That sentence really irks me for some reason. I'm new here so bare with me, but I don't think it belongs there. The gash could just be there because his flesh underneath the sleeve and tape was rotting, so when it fell off the tape went with it too. Either way, I think the part that isn't fact should be removed, but I don't want to mess up the Wikia. --Anarnee 17:32, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Why would it rot? They're not dead, so there's no reason too.  Strong Intelligent 

it's also entirely possible that the hunter was sweating due to the heat, which neutralized the tape's adhesiveness to the point where it fell off, and the hunter has had the tape so long that the flesh underneath had atrophied from not being able to "breathe". When the tape fell off, it would have revealed this. As for his other side, the remnants of sweatshirt kept the tape from being affected like the other side.-- Irish Shamrock1♣  20:00, November 17, 2009 (UTC) 19:55, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Shamrock, Also, many of the infected appear to have wounds that are infected, Gangrene for example, causes necrosis in flesh. --Ana 23:41, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Ducktape's adhesive causes skin irritation, that could have caused the wound/rash...--Boomman97 17:01, November 19, 2009 (UTC)