Talk:Left 4 Dead 2

Already? Wowzerz! -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 21:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Did I do a good job writing about it? - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 21:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Hell, It looks like it's been up for a while! Oh yeah, and.... WHAT?!?! MELEE WEAPONS?!?! NOOOOO!!!!!! -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 21:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay. And I thought that was funny, because there was a conversation about melee weapons a while ago on some talk page.  Oh, man, if Valve were reading these pages, my face would be so red. - §tigma-231  ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 21:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Did the argument end in favour of them then? Do you want melee weapons? From the axe video it looks like it replaces your main weapon! Imagine the scenario:
 * Axe Wielder: HEY GUYS! I HAZ AN AXE! *Tank shows up* DON'T WORRY! I GOT HIM! *Slashes axe* *Tank turns and swipes* OH CRA--- *Player dies*
 * It would upset the balance of gameplay, I hope Valve know what they're doing. And honestly, zombie apocalypse, hmmm, axe or shotgun? I call shotgun! -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 21:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it more or less ended in a joke, last I remember. It had mixed opinions, I guess.  I was talking about using a baseball bat (IN THERE) like a Scout from Team Fortress 2, and oddly enough, it more or less went like what you said.  I think Valve knows what they're doing by now, and if not, they've got time to iron things out.  I, for one, think they're an interesting addition.  I want to run around with a frying pan like any good woman would! - §tigma-231  ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 21:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, what are you saying about women? :P As long as the other three in my team don't all hold melee weapons, it'll be alright. Oh and I LOVE the idea of the Witch wandering around during day missions. Shake things up a little. -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 21:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I make borderline sexist jokes all the time, heh. I don't mean any of them, but I feel I can get away with it because I'm a woman. - §tigma-231  ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 21:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You mock your own gender? Heheh. Almost like Zoey's thinly-veiled racism on the Dead Air finale. "Louis, your row isn't boarding yet." That made me laugh. And you realise that within a week this page will probably be filled with discussions. What do you think you'll like and dislike about it? For me, respectively, is the daytime Witch and the melee weapons. -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 21:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what I'll like most about it, but we'll see. It's going to be an awesome game.  Valve are making it, how can it not be? - §tigma-231  ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 21:52, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude! Awesome! Wow, Valve sure is on the ball. They just couldn't miss making more money off of this thing. I wonder if EA is going to distribute it again. Also, MELEE WEAPONS? SWEET! Not to happy about the new Survivors, but it should be interesting. TheCreaturenator16 04:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, I hope the "new gamemode" doesn't cost anything--Colton Lindsay 22:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Only the price of the game. Which I/you just lost.  Sad face. - §tigma-231  ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 22:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * When you do it right you won't have to pay any money for it...

New Survivors
Now that new survivors are replacing the old ones, it's inevitable that we'll compare them and find their equivalents:
 * Rochelle - Umm, pretty sure the closest is Zoey. Hard to tell though. :P
 * Ellis - Look at how he hold the gun, that cheesy look on his face. That, my friends, is a younger, non-biking Francis! I just hope he doesn't hate everything....
 * Nick - Well, well! Looks like a young and flashy Bill before Vietnam! Let's just hope young Bill is still as kick-ass as old Bill.
 * Coach - Louis has let the infection get to him. Now he's bigger, he's tougher, and he's larger. If he has a really deep "Grabbin' Pills" line, he'll be my instant favourite.

Those are the best comparisons I could think of. -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 22:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the new characters, myself. Valve is like, "Screw you, half of the Survivors are black!"  I know you know a lot of people hated Louis just because he was black.  I didn't mind him, myself, but there was something in the way he screamed and screamed that got on my nerves.  But I think Rochelle looks nice, Nick reminds me of Michael Westen, Coach is like a blacker, less-wussy Louis, and Ellis is an engineer of some sort, and he reminds me of the Scout.  I'm really excited to learn more about them. - §tigma-231  ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 22:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it should be:

Coach and Bill, as the old people of the group. Rochelle and Zoey as the only females. Nick and Francis as the "bad boys" of the group. Louis and Ellis because i can't think of anything else... Anyway, that's what i thought the comparisons were until i read the real ones. SuperMutantSlayer450.


 * Hold on, it was the screaming and the yelling that made Louis who he is! He's got that wussy side to him, then he's got a gamer side; "Oh man, this is just like Counter-Strike!" Then he's got a gangster side; "Thanks, dog." "Yo, check this out!" Then he's got an intelligent side; "These must be Riverside's water in-take pipes." Francis: "How the hell do you know that?" Louis: "Interesting story, in 1975 when Riverside was-" Francis: "Actually, I just realised I don't care. Lead on."
 * And unfortunately, no matter how epic and awesome these survivors turn out to be, I'll still miss the original foursome. It would be cool if you could also play as the old survivors in the sequel, you know, maybe as a DLC campaign or something? -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 03:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey I rather take Southern Baptist blacks then ghetto blacks any day.but I'm sad that there is no war veteran this time. I love playing as Bill.--Jack Black 13:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you watch the trailer on the article? Coach is one bad motha! Oh, and is it me or is Valve seeming to give the "rebellious" one the strange names? Francis and Ellis? -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 21:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I would have to say that Rochelle is Louis' comparison (yes she's a woman, but they just seem alike to me), Coach is Bill, Nick, being a possible con-man is Francis' equivalent in swavyness, and Ellis is Zoey, because they both seem to be the skipping bundle of joy types. But I will miss Zoey...and I STILL don't know who to play as in L4D2!

Everything is right but coach is for bill and nick is louis. WAIT NO FRANCIS!?!?!? Ill miss the I hate statement. I'll miss Louis's screams. Ill miss zoey because shes zoey and i like that. And ill miss OlD BILL --Kirby888 18:25, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The new guys are alright. Valve has never let me down before with memorible charactors. The thing I'm waiting for is to here more on thier bio's. IN the first game Bill was a war vet so he had combat and survivol experince. Francis was in a gang so might have some gun experince though he dose sream like a girl when he gets droped. EVen Louis had dialog which proved he knew how to use a rifle. Zoey on the other hand had no explanaiton for her superv zombie killing skills beside likeing horror movies. These new guys so far don't have an explanation for why they can shoot high powered snipers and full auto rifles. THe con man I'm guessing carrys a pistol but other then that you don't have much explanation. I'm guessing Rochelle use to be in a gang, Coach is sercetly an ex mobster in witness protection and Ellis is one of the brothers of the scout.

Damnit forgot to sign again. THe comment above this is mineCrossy the Coward 14:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, i like the new cast more than these old ones. Actually the only two from L4D1 were my favorites, Bill for his voice(JF ftw), quotes(like, "bullfrickinhorseshit" or "i see peace back on earth when i could murder everyone of these animals with my own bare hands) and Francis(iHate, and also, while i used to have russian vocalization, his voice was almost like Vince's and they brought some new jokes to him, just like the "Cow... No, wait, just farmhouse" instead of "get to the farmhouse"), plus Louis with his PEELZ meme. Zoey is my absolute non-favorite. Her screams, she herself... Even though she's pretty nice. Now l4d2. I like everyone. Not to mention that i have some parts from them, my face and trademark cap(sometimes i even sleep in it) looks exactly like Ellis', also i look like Coach a bit(um... not so slim tbh) and, as my relatives say, i am pretty cynical - just like Nick. And also DEPECHE MODE PWNZ(Rochelle has Depeche Mode on her shirt). Plus they look more realistic than the old cast, cause they are actually these people, who can band up in the zombie-apocalypse. But, well, one more thing... The old cast had a dynamic part of their models - Francis' belt, Louis' tie, Bill's liting cigarette, Zoey's hair, but the new ones? Coach has a whistle on his belt, which is about to dangle, Rochelle's hair are pony-tailed too, Nick's suit can dangle too, but what about my personal favorite, Ellis? Wrench on his belt? Now, yes, my personal cons&pros Pros are: Coach looks realistic and sounds cool. He must not be changed, really; Ellis' voice owns, Ladin is teh best for him. But still, i want him too look more like Travis from SH0; Nick is a gambler, cynical man with a expencive suit. I can predict his hilarious comments on other survivors' lines, especially Ellis' accent and Rochelle's job; Rochelle is DM fan which makes her OK for me even though she looks really like something Ellis loves... I'll remind you he loves horses; Cons are: No for Coach; Ellis looks too teenage, maybe a bit change of his clothes(DON'T TOUCH TEH CAP) and face'll do; Nick looks really too handsome for an apocalypse survivor. Make his suit a bit cheaper and give him some scars; Give Rochelle at least a HUMAN face. She looks like Selena from 28 days later, but it does not make neither Selena, neither Rochelle pretty; WardenerNL 14:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

There are Boycotters for L4D2?
When I heard this I laughed so hard. This is Pathetic. Listen if your a boycotter GET OVER IT! If a trailer comes out for a game the came is going to be made no stopping it. There are rumors about Valve still going to make downloads for L4D. Didnt make the rumor heard it on Gamefaqs. Just because theres going to be L4D2 doesnt mean L4D is useless. I will still play the first one because ill miss all the olds. ANyways get over it! --71.70.80.147 20:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Dude. i totally agree. if you love L4D, then y shouldn't you love L4D2? i mean, its the frickin sequel! cmon! L4D2 is gonna be awesome. anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. SuperMutantSlayer450

Valve continuing to work on L4D isn't a rumor, it's a fact. They even said that themselves.

Possible Other Special Infected
Has anyone considered the possibility that, since almost everything that was cut in the first game is coming in L4D2, one of the "Mystery Infected" could be the Screamer? TheCreaturenator16 23:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Why put the screamer in if there is a boomer in L4D2? The Boomers purpose was to take the screamers place because the it would be to hard for players to notice the screamer if there is a horde of infected. There is no need for screamer if the BOOMER is in L4D2. Besides he think the boomer is better. Everytime i spectate someone as a boomer it makes me laugh on how it walks and when people "Teabag" as the boomer. I cant even think on how the screamer would be like. --Kirby888 21:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

The Screamer could be an Uncommon Infected like the BioHazard. That would be cool - When they see you, they scream and all Infected in the area attack you. I would like that


 * Already got that. He's called the Clown Infected ;) Jo the Marten  ( Shriek ) 11:13, September 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know. But for another Campaign - there are two that do not have been shown yet. The Screamers could be in one of them.

I heard of a new possible infected called "the haggard" (possible). See            Camster103 00:53, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * That is a real infected. that was a fan art rep of "The Spiker" and they just changed the name.--Supermutantslayer 450  RO A  R! 00:57, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Is that true? Do we have confirmation on that? If so, we need to write a page right away! TheCreaturenator16 01:15, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Does anyone know if the Spiker (be it Haggard or not) will make in the game? There was a rumor about the Spiker from an employee of Valve, but now the last Campaigns are revealed, first Versus und Scavange Vids are there but the Spiker is still missing. Will he be there or not?

Well it could be a possibility, but if there's too much Special Infected, then that would just make the game hard.Also, the Screamer is basically a Boomer in another body. Plus testers from the first L4D said it was to hard to face the screamer. Therefore, less people would play it, but thats just my opinion.--Optimus467♠♣&#91;☺&#93;—←→ 01:06, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Infinite Ammo Pistols?
The Trivia section says that the infinite ammo may be replaced by the melee weapons, but during the beta footage, the reminder pops up that pistols have unlimited ammo. Thoughts? TheCreaturenator16 20:27, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

thats my most likley my fault i remember putting something there about that because only the trailer was out and it showed the pistols running out of ammo Totemtrouser 20:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)totemtrouserTotemtrouser 20:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Want more Info?
This link says almost everything about left 4 dead 2! Hope you enjoy!

http://www.zombicidal.com/l4d2/

--Kirby888 05:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

fake infected
hey i wanted to ask b4 i deleted it did anyone hear of the spitter?

yes it is a real it was revealed in a new game play video look at the news section for the link BigDogW 11:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

k thx i didnt see anything about it so i didnt think it was real

Totemtrouser 12:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)totemtrouserTotemtrouser 12:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC) p.s srry i forgot to sign my last post but i asked about the spitter

WRITING ON THE WALLS
I want to start a discussion on the new graffti in the game. So far we have only seen brief images of graffti and most outside such as "Where is CEDC" I've read in sevral fourms that the graff will change due to how well your playing. This can be found eplained in the link posted a few comments up. THese changing ones will be like "Having fun?" When your doing poorly and "Don't worry, it get's harder" When your doing great. I hope they keep the more comidic comments around like "I miss the internet" and of course "No Zombie is safe from Cicago Ted" I also like reading other survivors. POst what ever you would like to see and here is what I would like to see. I want to see more funny comment sof course but I want to see comments about level changing. Not just "Having fun yet" but stupid stuff like "I don't rememberf this fence" or "Who the hell put this wall here!" What I also want to see is a continuing adventrue of one survior. What I mean by that is I would have love to seen one chicago ted comment per campaing. It could have been explained he tried everything the survivors did but never got rescued. THe helicopter didn't appaer so he traveled north. Riverside was overrun so he continued on to Dead Air which could have been attacked at when he was there. Finally he made it to Echo where he either survied or made his last stand. Also I want to see a easter egg of one of the survivors from the first game per campaing then some message sign by all of them in the last finale.Crossy the Coward 15:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be cool to have graffti that are like: "We locked the door and shot lots of them but the more we kill the more are appearing. The door won't hold, I know but Jimmy said it will." Then written very fast: "They are comming!" And next to the graffti two corpses full of blood.
 * "I got an Axe and took off a Charger's big arm!! Now he is outside and screaming, haha." Under that in another handwriting: "I found the arm and beat a Jockey with it. But I dunno if he's dead."
 * "My horse tried to bite me! I didn't know the Infection does work on animals!"
 * Whoever wrote about the Charger, Arm and Axe deserves some money. That was the best thing I've seen this week! I think there should be some dumb stuff as well. Like in the first (and only) saferoom in Crash Course someone writes a huge peom of sorts. Some people think it's funny to write random and dumb stuff. ("QQ", "PS Im fat", "Well done lady you just bored me to death" and my personaly favourite which had me laughing about it for days when I thought about it. "Why don't you hit a zombie with your thesaurus?"). WafflesHere! Just not signed in!

Did Valve change the cover yet again?
Websites such as IGN.com and GameSpy show a different art box ever since 20th July 2009 while Wikipedia has nothing about it and yet didn't change anything, what should we do regrading this?o_o The new art box looks the same, but the color is different and looks even more like the original Left 4 Dead cover, it's like they combined them both and changed the color to fully yellow. Zikkun 13:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Next game i bet the color of the background is red or purple.--Kirby888 04:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I just found that there is another change in the boxart, they rotated the hand 180 degrees, so you see the palm, the two bent down fingers and the gnawed off thumb. So far though, this appears to only be effective in the UK, but I am not sure if its JUST for the UK (besides, I think it looks cooler). Anyone else want to confirm? Dwarf Ninjas 00:54, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think its for UK only as the boxart for the other countries with the two fingers in that postion is actually an insult in the UK. --VaultGuru 22:10, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Crowbar or Pistol?
I want everyone to look at the video were it breifly shows the Jokey being killed. Notice that melee weapons can be seen on the back of survivors when in other gameplay video you could only carrie it and if you switch weapons you dropped it. Then look at Ellis data sreen. He's not holding pistols and it shows an ax as a backup. This is what I orginaly guess would happen. I'm not sure if it's going to stay like this but it seems you can either carry a melee weapon or pistol but not both. I thought this be made for fairness. The melees can take hordes down quicker then pistols but only pistols have range in case you run out of ammo.And from what I've seen and herd ammo will be more scare to the point where someone might want a ammo pack instead of health. Also I'm just gusses here but if you are incap with only a melee you probaly can't use it and are defensless.Crossy the Coward 13:22, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Also as there are pistols spread throughout every chapter you probaly would have the option to pick one up again. Crossy the Coward 13:30, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

It probably just takes up the space of the pistols space because Valve doesn't want to add a new inventory space. If you drop a melee weapon, you still have pistols, as seen in a few videos.--Supermutantslayer450 22:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

There is a video where someone gets incapped using the electric Guitar, and they pull out a pistol. I think what happens is you can either duel wield pistols (once the option arises) or carry a melee weapon. EDIT: Forgot to include, that you still always carry a pistol in your holster, which most characters are carry their incap weapon. -Dwarf Ninjas 01:26, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of... (again, sorry for another edit) doesn't with different types of pistols out there, anyone have a theory on how one will change which pistol? Dwarf Ninjas 01:29, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

he pull out from the nothing Aratinga A.'' Ѭ  ( Hehehe ) 15:32, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

New Wiki?
When L4D2 comes out, considering it will probably be a pretty big game, will someone be making a whole seperate wiki for Left 4 Dead 2? or will all that stuff go here?--Supermutantslayer450 23:39, September 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * You're kidding, right? We're keeping this Wiki! It's now a Wiki for the series of Left 4 Dead. ;) The Combine OverWiki didn't make a new Wiki when Half-Life 2 came out, no reason we should make a new Wiki. That's just silly. Jo the Marten  ( Shriek ) 00:09, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, we'll include all the information about Left 4 Dead 2 here, but it's possible that someone somewhere might make a wiki exclusively for Left 4 Dead 2. It happens.  I'm pretty sure there's a wiki exclusively for Halo Wars, even though Halopedia already has content focused on it. - §tigma-231  ♠  o  ƒ  gr  eed { τalk }{¢ont } 00:46, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * I must say, I really hope that someone doesn't make another wiki for Left 4 Dead 2. That'd just make all our efforts for it null. Surely it won't happen. -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 13:28, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be stupid. Halo Wars is a completely different beast than the rest of the Halo games, so thats't a different story. Why make a L4D2 wiki? This one would suffice just fine.Imperialscouts 01:17, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, I'm pretty sure that has never been done in the history of wikis, so why start now? TheCreaturenator16 01:18, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds dumb, but you forget that people are dumb. It's probably more likely than you think. - §tigma-231  ♠  o ƒ  greed { τalk }{¢ont } 01:27, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Stigma, you're right, however, I'm just saying that there is no precedent at all. There's ONE Halo wiki, ONE Resident Evil wiki, ONE Half-Life/Portal wiki, the list goes on. TheCreaturenator16 01:30, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

New boxart
And it looks like Valve has changed the boxart AGAIN... Picture DAWeeE1 06:57, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Could be it's only the European cover art. Cause for some reason Europe is picky about dismembered fingers so they have it on the front so they're like, "LOOK! IT STILL HAS FINGERS!". Though I dunno about the thumb. Nice find btw. Jo the Marten ( Shriek ) 08:57, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Nah, it's the UK art because the boxart in the rest of the world is considered an insult in Britain. LIke flipping someone off. TheCreaturenator16 01:13, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * It certainly well is not the UK box art. Scotland have refused any games with the hand showing the palm. It was on the STV (Scottish Television something) Gaming News at like 5in the morning. We are going with the American model ;) - Waffles here. Still not signed in!

New survivors
I like them, I do. It still kinda sucks that Bill, Zoey, Francis, and Louis aren't returning. I'll miss Louis's "Grabbin' peelz" line........

Two more camps unveiled, add it
Found two more posters. Dead Center http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/colin19872003/image004.jpg

Hard Rain http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/colin19872003/image005.jpg

they do not look like fakes original - http://gnn.gamer.com.tw/4/39834.html WardenerNL Oct 10, 13:25


 * So, what, one's like a shopping center, and the other's an industrial facility? TheCreaturenator16 19:32, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Achievemnts List
Xbox360Achievements.org has just released the full list. You can view it at http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/left-4-dead-2/achievements/

from my quick overview of it, the survivors use a defibrillator to revive each other. Timetogo 18:31, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

well, there is a picture of all the uncommon common, so if anyone can figure out what they are, great. also, I would think from the achievements, the defibrillator is used to revive dead teammates. also, what's a bile bomb? TheCreaturenator16 23:24, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

On the bile bomb, i think it will act like a boomer grenade for teh survivors. Ya hit a tank with it, tank gets attacked by horde, ya hit a horde with it, horde turns on it self, hit a boomer with it, best freaking revenge in video game history. and with the uncommon common achievemnet, it might just be that my eyesight is horrible, but i could only make out 5 siholettes (probs spelt wrong) the 4 we no, plus i think i saw one in a life jacket. so heres hopin im wrong bout there only being 5, but i swear that is wat i saw. I also it should be noted there isnt any kill 53,967 zombie achievment, to be prototype. hmm wierd--Just Some Guy720 12:53, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that the one for the Uncommon Common is going to be changed after we learn about the rest, because Valve probably didn't want to reveal the others to eagle-eyed fans. TheCreaturenator16 12:58, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

i also have seen that 2 achieviments name are copy from Half Life 2: Episode 2 and Team Fortress 2. (Acid Reflex and Rode Hard, Put Away Wet) Aratinga A.'' Ѭ , 11:43, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Boycott?
Has the Boycott really disbanded? Did those idiots finally realize they're wasting their time? They coudn't do anything, so did it really end?--Supermutantslayer 450  RO <font color="DarkKhaki">A  R! 02:14, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I would guess so. Maybe it's because Valve has shown them that they won't give up on the original, or maybe because they realize that Left 4 Dead 2 will be too awesome to give up. I wonder if they're going to make a statement or something. I'm glad. Whining when no one cares is very unsuccessful. TheCreaturenator16 02:19, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have but one thing to say: FINALLY! Jeez, what a group of morons... no offense... Imperialscouts 04:09, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe not so much morons as entitled spoiled whiny brats. TheCreaturenator  16  04:10, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't gameinformer say something similiar? But yeah, more of brats than anything. Imperialscouts 04:15, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think so. It's funny how most of the gaming world were so against them. TheCreaturenator  16  04:18, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I found it funny how they thought they could do anything to stop it. it has been in production for around a year probably, and they expected valve to just drop it? lol--<font color="Navy">Supermutantslayer 450  RO <font color="DarkKhaki">A  R! 04:28, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * The group is disbanding cause the leaders (Walking_target and Agent_ofSomething) got flown to Valve HQ, played the game and were promised free version if they disbanded the group D: - Still Waffles here, but alas, still not signed in ;)
 * So Valve bribed them? lol EllisxZoey

Demo details revealed
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=988992  Strong Intelligent 

We need to pre-order it?! --VaultGuru 16:55, October 15, 2009 (UTC)