Talk:The Passing

Fuck. Yes. Nelo Angelo 97 20:44, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
Indeed.

Hopefully the original survivors can be used in the other 5 campaigns aswell Regulust 00:06, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Bitchin'!

Ha Biskey!

I wept tears of joy. Ryo626 00:25, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Bloodly Brillient I must say. Cant wait. (knee_slap) 20:41, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Cant wait for some hot Zoey on Rochelle action!-I mean, defib and healing. *ahem* 24.87.4.53 03:19, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

The fallen survivor's gunna be in it! YES! I knew it! I'm so happy! Andy Brubaker 07:08, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, we can't play as the originals? ...S-screw you, Valve.

I'm gonna go curl up and die now. Ryo626 02:52, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Why can't we play as the old survivers in all the other campains? like, be able to choose 1 of 8 for an online campaign to mix it up (like, Louis, Ellis, Bill, and Rochelle or somthing?) or even choose one for just a single player game. Idk why they couldn't just do that, i know it would make tons of people happy. dissapointed in valve bigtime.

left4dead 1 was the first time valve has made a dlc, survivor dlc was awsome,crashcource was ok. left4dead2 even more disapointing with this dlc cause for the longest time we all thought valve was gona let us play as the old suvivors.(wrong!) valve needs to get there act together NOW!!!

Halflife2guy 16:39, March 2, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy

I'm pretty sure that Valve didn't add the L4D1 survivors in Left 4 Dead 2 because of balanced gameplay... because if you think about it, most people would fight over and argue to play as the L4D1 survivors (And don't deny this, people have fought for far less) rather than play L4D2 survivors.... besides, if we could play L4D1 survivors in Left 4 Dead 2, that would make the Left 4 Dead 1 game obselete since the L4D1 survivors are in Left 4 Dead 2, and all further attention (Patches, DLC, etc.) would go into Left 4 Dead 2. NewbieSim 03:55, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think Valve actually made a really smart choice in not letting us play as the originals in The Passing. I agree with what the person above me said, and I'm also excited that Bill, Francis, Louis, and Zoey get a whole new campaign of their own! Nightmirage 04:00, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, guys! if you want to play as the left 4 dead survivors in left 4 dead 2 Just Get The Skins!!! I really don't know how nor do I really care but that's the closest your ever going to get. So cool it with the dissapointment with valve k? And if you want to do an 8 v.s. 8 versus or even 12 v.s.12 versus, then just go out and go to a modded server. Like I said before I don't know how but I do care for this one. So just get that through your heads OKAY?Junedude433 03:24, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the person above me. Valve did much to make this game and to be disappointed with them simply because of such minor things really shows how much we take things for granted. Besides, it is not like modding is impossible, unless it is the Xbox 360 Live you're talking about. If you seriously want to play as the originals, why not stick to Left 4 Dead 1, like I do. Besides, it is a DLC for Left 4 Dead 2. Survivors from Left 4 Dead 1 would probably never be playable in Left 4 Dead 2 because they are not the main cast in the sequel. LoneWolfHBS5 03:37, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with some of you. I do want to play with old survivors too, but this is Left 4 Dead 2, not Left 4 Dead episode 2. ŊυĐε 09:01, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

"because if you think about it, most people would fight over and argue to play as the L4D1 survivors..."

Yes, I have thought about it. Which is why I find your reasoning completely absurd. That's it? That's your reasoning behind why you think it makes sense that we can't play as the L4D1 survivors? So WHAT if people fight over the first games survivors? Why does it matter whether or not everyone fights over characters? That doesn't sound like it's worth stripping the right away from EVERYONE. Besides, don't they already do that with the current team? I myself personally have poured more than 100 hours of my life playing this game with random stranger in lobbies and have never run into this. You must be from the XBOX360 community I can understand. Still, removing the option all together simply because "people might fight over them" just sounds ludicrous.

Here, try this: They probably won't let us play as the first games survivors because---they are said to not be in the entire campaign. The L4D1 characters are said to appear at the start of the campaign to give us our mission but after that it's pretty evident that they probably aren't going to be seen much. So what are the people who are playing as the L4D1 survivors going to do? And no, both teams can't progress in their own maps and meet back at a certain spot. I thought of it and ruled it out. Because 1 of the teams might not progress as fast or fast enough and leave the other team waiting at the meeting place.

That's very likely why.

Another reason you shouldn't be so quick to look down on the L4D community is, the new game modes. I don't know but neither do you, we MIGHT just end up playing as the first L4D survivors. It may even be so much that players are sitting in a lobby picking their character from a list of all the 8 survivors (the very thing you said we can't handle). It's very likely.

As for the people saying, "if we wanted to play as the L4D1 survivors you should just play L4D1", that's still faulty reasoning. The thing that would make playing as the L4D1 survivors so unique in this game is the fact that there would be 8 (or 7, *sniff*) survivors playing at the same time, you have to admit that would be pretty freakin' amazing! Not just in concept and gameplay but in also in a technical feat from Valve. You can't get that by playing L4D1 at least not without a mod that would significantly slow down gameplay.

Sorry if it sounded like I was going on a tirade, but I just can't let people go on thinking these things for the reasons they do. Anonymous 12:02 (GMT+01:00) March 30, 2010

You know what... I haven't been long here at the wiki... but... This is the longest talk page in the wiki! That is really off topic but.... 2 more days..... 2 more days....ŊυĐε 16:35, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Holy Sh*&% ... It's the 26th already.. No DLC yet.. l4d's official web page says that it's coming out this Spring. It doesn't say late March anymore. >:-/ I'm so pissed right now. Perhaps they changed it cause they've not finished it, or they realized that it has errors, glitches, gaps, or perhaps they're just adding new stuff. It could be that they decided to do it after Modern Warfare 2's New downloadable Map Pack, which is coming out March 30, confirmed. Hell! I don't know.

WHERE IS MY THE PASSING! D': ŊυĐε 07:53, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

That's Valve for ya. They make promises they cant keep. They predicted the release date for Half Life 2 Episode 3 and its been over a year since that date. Don't expect The Passing to be out any time soon.

well if your in the unlucky position like me to have the xbox360 version you will probibly guess that we cant get mods or mod the game are selfs... we cant even get new maps off of l4dmods.com and allmost 46% of the people that play left4dead play it on the xbox360, in short thats allot of pissed of people. im one of them and people with the pc version should stop complaining Halflife2guy 14:56, April 6, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy

Rochelle "Despach Mode" Tee-Shirt New Game Mode?
I was thinking, mabye the "Despach mode" tee shirt may be the new name for the new gamemode

Wot? Sorry bro, but what are you gabbing about? ...On thinking about what you said, I assume you think that the new gamemode is called Despach Mode; well it isn't, that's the name of a musical band (and as far as I know the band name's second word is pronounced "Moe-dae").

I can see this coversation after the DLC is released....
Bill: The subway station can take us to Mercy Hospital; Theres a re-

Rochelle: Bill honey can this wait please?

Francis: I hate subways.

Ellis: Well, one time I wuz with ma friend Keith, we were flying a Chocolate Helicopter, Keith was piloting it with Chicago Ted, and we flew over a subway to a hospital!

Francis: I hate Ellis.

Ill97's conversation

Nick: Hey, Hillbilly 2.0

Francis: Hey, stupid dude who picked a tux, I hate tux's

Bill & Coach: Concealed chuckle*

Zoey: Hey louis ! Check out this weird barf bottle! EW!

Louis: Thats just wrong ....

Ellis, this is how its works silly!


 * Takes it and throws it out of their group

Rochelle: You nincompoop! Raises gun*

Everyone takes the notion and has old fashioned zombie killing fun.

So, add your conversations :D.

Horribly off topic and was even posted before!

Okay, I'm sorry, but I love that template. Ryo626 02:09, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

I can totally See this.

Louis: Grabbin Pills!

Ellis: Grabbin a Shot!


 * Both stare at each other awkwardly for a full minute*

Survivors: *Laughs*

Sure It Is Between Dead Center and Dark Carnival?
Don't they just driving from Dead Center to Dark Carnival? Like the only thing I can see is they stop for gas for the race car but that is taking the Hard Rain campaign idea? --Sinic20 04:06, December 15, 2009 (UTC)Sinic20


 * ""The Passing" takes place just after the Dead Center campaign of L4D2." Think of it this way. Say you end Dead Center with no health kits and low ammo. Where did the first aid from the beginning of Dark Carnival come from? :P Also food. Eating is fine too. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  04:07, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually it makes a lot of sense being between Dead Center and Dark Carnival, you know... the L4D2 Survivors call the SI all these weird names, Jumper, Puker, etc., and it's not until they meet up with the L4D1 Survivors that they learn the correct names from them, Hunter, Boomer, and so on... As for why do they have to stop the car, I frankly have no idea why it may be DeathBlade182 09:42, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * In the thrid and fourth levels of Dead Center, they call them the correct names...--'Iron Tacoz 450 RO A R! 20:33, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seriously? Never noticed it :/ DeathBlade182 03:34, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Pointing it out because you said they dont call them the right names until after they meet the L4D Survivors.--'Iron Tacoz 450 RO A R! 05:16, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

It could be called "the passing" for a reason, they could possibly drive by the other survivors and then stop and join up with them. where to get weapons or ammo or health they take two different paths where occasionally throughout the level they run into each other. just a suggestion. JaymzHunter 22:39, December 15, 2009 (UTC) JaymzHunter

Maybe they see the L4D survivors, stop and walk with them, and then have something really bad happens to seperate the groups, so they go back to the car in hard rain fashion.Purplemonkey55 22:39, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

No, what happens is the l4d2 survivors are driving, they run over the original survivors, and THE END! User:Toastwolf117


 * Lol, totally worth the $6.25 it'll be to buy it.--'Iron Tacoz 450 RO A R! 01:15, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * If they die I'll throw my 360 through a window (yeah, 'cause that'll have no downside). I like the original survivors. Imperialscouts 04:04, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * While a Hard Rain like scenario is most likely, it could be something else. For example The survivors could have to lower a bridge in order to continue to drive the car to New Orleans. The finale would consist of lowering the bridge followed by the surivors running back to the car. Altriitivly, a large obstical could be in the cars way so they decide to go on foot, then they discover a way to destroy the obstical in order to drive the car again.--Verno 22:20, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Here's my idea. Maybe the new survivors are driving by, when they notice the old survivors. The old survivors need help, so the new survivors leave the car behind to help the old survivors, each chapter they save a different survivor, and the finale would be caused by the original survivors escape vehicle (piloted by Chicago Ted) but the new survivors take too long and Ted brings the original survivors to safety as the new survivors simply have to escape to their vehicle. Which for some reason is very close by, perhaps the whole campaign was a large circle. There was no backtracking, they just somehow ended up where they started. --LazyLord777 00:36, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * WHy does everyone love Chicago Ted so much? He has one thing in either games, yet so many people think he is the best. He made one comment that anyone could. He's not that big of a deal. He's probably dead, anyway.--'Iron Tacoz <font color="SaddleBrown">450 <font color="Olive">RO <font color="LightGrey">A <font color="Indigo">R! 00:32, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't like him. I was trying to think of someone from the first game who wasn't definately dead who could save the original survivors. --LazyLord777 00:55, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally, i'm thrilled at being able to play the original survivors again or at least see them.(Maybe they will have new skins, like scars and injuries)BUT, there is one thing on my mind. The passing is set in between Dead Center and Dark Carnival and the l4d2 survivors meet the original survivors. Then why aren't Bill, Zoey, Louis and Francis in the car with Ellis, Coach, Nick and Rochlle at the beginning of Dark Carnival. Does that mean they will die in the finale? *GASP!* Sabrelord 11:56, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Or it could be that Jimmy Gibb's car only has 4 seats. I'm sure there will be a reason, don't worry. :) Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  11:23, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * A car like that only has two seats. They would hardly be able to fit 4 people in a 1970 look-a-like race car let alone 8 people plus weapons and equipment. Jus' sayin' - EB683


 * Actually, if it is a racecar it would only have a drivers seat. The rest would be taken up by fuel cells and the rollcage. Also, this is a car from the `70's, it's freakin huge. If it were a an unmodified Charger it would have a split bench seat in front or 2 buckets(depending on year and options)and a bench in back, meaning 5 or 6 could ride in relative comfort. The trunk is plenty large enough for all their equipment and/or sneaking up to 3 people into the Drive-in. 8 people would not be much of a stretch, Zoey and Ro could sit on laps. Of course in the event that thousands of blood-thirsty zombies were chasing me I'd be happy to squeeze into a Yugo to get away.--JiNX Bloodfang 07:40, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's my ide-r. The new survivors are driv'n down that there high way till they come up to a barricaded road. They decided to walk around on foot to lower the barrier and allow the car to cross (Crescendo Event). However, Ellis left the car running which wasted all the gas. So they have to find more gas cans in the surrounding area, preferablly the gas station 2 miles ahead. On their way, they run into the old survivors who agree to help find gas (more people, more gas to carry). They must cross through a small town to get to the gas station, running into more zombies and shit. They get the gas, go back an alternative way, fuel up the car, and drive away. Now, I don't know how exactly they're gonna make it so the old survivors don't come with unless they make a cutscene (which goes against the entire game), and since there might be 8 player co-op the people playing the old survivors aren't expected to participate in the events expected for the seperation. I don't know

I agree. Yeah, put in a thing that'll block their way. But i think that it should be that the new survivors have no idea where to go or where they are. But the old survivors offer to help, if the new survivors can help them with a little vehicle trouble. Seeing as Eliis is a mechanic, the old survivors can also have an escape vehicle, once the vehicle is fixed the new survivors make a run for it back to their car (they take a shortcut rather than backtracking) which will be what i'd call a "Rolling Finale" like valve calls the new crescendo events, "Rolling Crescendos", and the old survivors will stay in their vehicle safe, while the infected attack the new survivors on their way. And once the new survivors reach the rescue vehicle, both leave in different directions. (probably not in the direction of dead center.) What ya guys think? I think it's a good idea. --CHARG3R 23:56, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a good add on to my idea, but keep in mind that there may be an 8 player co-op for the survivors. We can't expect each group to go in seperate directions as they might be expected to stay together or goof off as most online assholes do. Unless of course the game splits them up so that there is no way for either group to be in physical contact with the other. The only way to communicate with eachother could be through a wall or an intercom. Or maybe the escape vehicles for both groups can be located in the same area so that if sticking to together is the tactic, they can all finish the game in the same area and time. I don't know what to expect

Okay, crazy idea from me but maybe this rural town is somekinda makeshift civilian evacuation camp that was overrun by the infection, so the Survivors are trying to get through while not only salvaging supplies but also trying to get through many blockades designed to halt the Infected. Like, one scenario could be to find explosives scattered around a part of town to blow up a blockade, or opening a gate or something along those lines. As for the car, they could park it on the outskirts of town or summat, so they take a route into town, blowing up barricades and stuff, rest in a turning point safe room, but because of the damage they did to prevent the Infection from slowing them down, they have to take a different route back to the car. If this does happen, then the game could give them Tier 2 weapons to start with, but as they take the route back they'll find limited ammo piles and mostly Tier 1 weapons, which would explain why they have em at the start of Dark Carnival. I have no theories on how the old Survivors wound up there, other than that the hideout they were goin to was overrun and they hijacked an APC or something to escape, and they follow military and CEDA maps to New Orleans. But in matter of fact, if Valve omitted the helicopter wreck from Swamp Fever, then it would have been more effective to put the Passing between Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever. Good ideas? --User:BRogue XDeth 14:04, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yes! Thats it! Make it so it's like Hard Rain, and you have to backtrack. The survivors get stuck from like a bridge that needs lowering or something, they get rid of whatever stands in the way. And on they meet with the old survivors that decide to help them and then you go back, but something happens when they get back, like in ridding themselves of the original barricade, they make another in the process, so they have to do something to get back to the car, but it triggers a finale like The Parish, where they have to run back to the car. And make a separate vehicle for the old survivors to get away in. Maybe then later valve can add a campaign for the old survivors after they have met with the new ones. Whether it's in L4D1 or L4D2, I dunno. I don't want them to stop working with the original.CHARG3R 00:26, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

My idea for how they escape is that there is a plane that's going to leave and go to Arizona, and all of the Survivors fights against the horde when trying to get gas for the plane. However, the plane could only carry four more Survivors, and the new Survivors decides to let the old Survivors go on the plane. Then the Survivors find out that the had gone in a complete circle: they see Jimmy Gibbs Jr's car (I thought of this, since the Survivors come in by car in Dark Carnival) exactly where they left it: in the middle of the road, out of gas. So they get the gas they originally got for the plane to fuel their car, and in the end, they drive off yet again. - Koopster 64 Febuary 20th

I have a pretty weird idea. The Old Survivors are trying to survive and holdout in the Last Stand, and the New Survivors happen to drive by. They pick them up, and drive them to georgia, where the Passing then takes place.Dalekdude101 03:30, March 12, 2010 (UTC)Dalekdude

Good Questions Here
I understand no one knows any more about this than I do, but I was wondering: How is this going to work? It's always been only four playable people at a time. So, will the L4D Survivors be AI all the time? Be playable in a new mode for eight players? Will we only be able to play as the L4D2 Survivors, or will the originals be playable also? Will this inlude the "More info on how the Infecttion started" that Valve promised us? (This part I don't really care about as much): Will they find more graffitti by Chicago Ted? Will the originals use melee weapons? (I know that seems like an odd question, but I just feel that there is a different feeling from both generations of Survivors. The L4D2 ones seem to be fine with getting covered in blood, like from a Chainsaw or Axe. But Bill, Louis, Francis, and Zoey seem to have a different air around them, being that they would be disgusted by being covered in blood, when the Coach, Nick, Ellis, and Rochelle never make a comment about it. Can't explain it, don't ask me.) Will the originals be surprised to see the new SI? Will they already have encountered them? Or will they be totally new to them, like the L4D2 ones were to all Infected at the beginning of Dead Center, and be like "What the hell is that green thing?". Will this download make the L4D2 Survivors mention the originals later on in Dark Carnival or other campaigns? And, finally, will it explain why the original Survivor team is down South in the first place? If they were rescued at the end of Blood Harvest, why are they now down South? And, how will there dissapearance for the rest of the game be explained? Will they have been rescued for good? And, if so, why wouldn't the L4D2 Survivors be rescued as well? Will the go their seperate ways? They would definately have to explain why. If you are in a zombie apocalypse, don't you think a team of eight is better than four? Or, will they simply just die? I hope it doesn't come to that... Thanks for reading (If you did).--<font color="DimGray">'Iron Tacoz <font color="SaddleBrown">450 <font color="Olive">RO <font color="LightGrey">A <font color="Indigo">R! 05:24, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I want to know about VS and Scavenge, will they be 8 v 8? How crazy would that be? What I want most though is to have the L4D maps available to play with the new infected. I'm betting that one will be with the GOTY if at all.--JiNX Bloodfang 20:25, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow... gets you to think. I think that maybe you choose which survivors you play as, to keep 4v4. I dont think melee weapons will be a problem, all survivors should be able to use them. I think that the L4D2 survivors will have told the L4D survivors of the infected, hence how they learnt the names of previous infected, so maybe they thought of names together. I cant think of explanaitions for all your questions but I can guess that the L4D survivors were maybe getting evaced in the south (since north was infeced) and they then lost their driver. I apologise for spelling and grammar i wrote this on the fly. Galaxy  guy26  (\___/) 13:20, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

If The Passing will have a max of 4 fighting survivors like all the other campaigns, several scenarios could fit the mold.
 * The survivors have to split up in order to complete a common goal. A connections between the 2 survivor teams, like a friendship, could compel survivors to switch sides. So, for example, Nick and Francis might know each other and would want to stick together. Maybe the 2 crews don't trust each other so the switch around survivors in order to make sure each side does what it is suppose to.
 * When the 2 teams meet, an event causes the teams to unwillingly split up and mix up, such as a barrier being created after an explosion.--Verno 20:54, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it will go something like Vs only without the SI, the OS (Old survivors) will need something the NS (New Survivors) have and vice versa. So they work together (one team helps the other team out from a distnce perhaps a sniping minigame?) then once the goal is acheived they go on their seperate paths. Perhaps hinting at future DLC featuring ONLY the OS?? Like an explaination as to how they got down south in the first place. --Formaldehyde 22:49, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Im confused, if theres no 8vs8, then HOW IN THE WORLD IS SCAVANGE AND VERSUS MODE GOING TO WORK OUT?! If we cant play as all 8 survivors, are we going to be able to pick like rochelle nick zoey and louis?? Im confused about that... --xGREENCATx 08:47, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

That's what i wanna know? no 8 v 8 in vs?! so unfair unless it's 4v4 with choice of survivors!--CHARG3R 23:59, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

The simple reason for them being down south, is that if you remember, Evac Point Echo was taken down, and the Army only came back to Evac Echo to pick them up and escort them off to another evac point. At the beginning of dead center, If you go into the map room, the survivors comment the only Evac point left is Nawlins, so the army must have picked them up and taken them down there. How they meet up with the L4D2 team could be a number of reasons. 62.31.74.206 14:37, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

here is a god question, who do you think dies? I think its Bill, but there is only a choice between him or louis, cuz zoey and francis are already confirmed. Sk55 march 29 2010

Survivor Relationships
Alright, gentlemen. Here's a wacky thought.

What if we get enough communication between the two Survivors to include their relationships on their respective pages? A little flirting between Zoey and Ellis? Perhaps a mutual understanding of each other between Francis and Nick? A great deal of respect shared between Coach and Bill, or even a conflict of leaders? And perhaps, a brother/sister type thing with Louis and Rochelle? Who's to say, really? I bet Valve knows.

It's a funny idea, but there just might be enough information on it. We'll see. -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 18:09, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Jo likes this. :D Jo the Marten  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:12, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I heartily agree. That's why I had to bring it up. ^-^ -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 18:13, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it too. Mr.75  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout11ty/images/5/51/Banhammer.gif 18:14, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Bloody Scottish Fable agrees :B <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 22:14, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ellis/Zoey? Oh please. If Valve pulls that it would be too obvious and contrived. I want to be surprised, not bored to death. Dermeisteristda 23:17, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * COACH/LOUIS OTP. - §tigma-231 �  o <font color="darkolivegreen">ƒ  greed { τalk }{<font color="darkolivegreen">¢ont } 23:23, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL!! Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  23:37, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Read my mind, Stiggs. Read my mind. -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 00:07, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Your mind says onononom <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 00:20, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually my mind says "Peelz he-- Hey! I'm grabbin' this shotg-- Oh man, this is just like Counter-Stri-- HUNTER!" -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 00:25, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Five Dog as a mind? Who knew.  Strong Intelligent 
 * That's cool, as long as there is enough. Three words between people is most certainly not enough. Let's not stretch the whole relationship thing too much. Imperialscouts 05:17, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Not to be a spoiler but Francis and Coach both have the "leader in denial" kinda thing going on there.No doubt francis is going to piss off Ellis or Coach and nick will LAUGH!(EX:I hate Dodge Cars.:P Also I hate your accents i just HATE 'EM (With the enthusiasm we seen in Crash Course))--Ill97 06:35, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Сoach's not in denial. He, actually, is the leader. Nick is too busy with himself, Ellis' just plain timid, and Rochelle... She talks like, onbe time per year. Also, i came up with some conversations, not posting, though, noone's gonna care. WardenerNL, Dec 22, 2009, 11:17

I would have thought that Zoey and Ellis would be firting and Francis gets jelouis, or how in the first chapter of dead center, how they call eachother hey miss and stuff, like how NIck calls Rochelle Sweetie and Babe, if nick starts alling zoey Babe and Sweetie that Francis will get mad. And rochelle and Louis? Lol and Coach gets mad! but what about bill? since his voice actor in Crash course was on vaction, and he never said anything new, mabye BILL will be like the Leader or something. But think of ZOey and Rochelle! 2 girls fighting over the guys, lol, but of course zoey is probily gonna get nick ellis and coach after her, she already Has francis.--xGREENCATx 08:58, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Not Forgetting that Nick's Ring markings match Francis's Tattoo. Anyone wanna wager they were in a gang together at some point? --62.31.74.206 10:26, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Francis was in a gang.. since Nick is like a Convict, Mabye he waas in a gang with francis. I mean he acts like it.--XGREENCATx 08:03, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Achievements
They should make it so if you beat the new campaign, you can unlock the original characters to play in versus
 * Accualy, I think Valve will add acheivements like they added in Crash Course. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 22:12, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well they probly will do that like complete the The Passing or finish a campaign with only L4D1 survivors or something like that.--Lone Wolf21 03:10, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * There probably gonna do it like Crash Course, put 10 to 20 extra acheivements. Also the new uncommon common is going to be interesting. (knee_slap) 20:46, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't Valve already announce that the old survivors will be playable in all the L4D2 campaigns eventually?Drakulas77 07:19, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * actually yeah, i always thought the baseball bat from pre-ordering at gamestop was dumb, i was hoping for the old survivors, so this is a welcome change. Geomexis 08:13, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * i would want the old achievements put back in, or even new ones for the old infected. I think that some of the achievements in L4D2 require alot of set situations (i.e. adrenaline being used to help some one up, and the shock jock) whilst the old ones could be achieved simply over time, (Killing a smoker before he snares you, Lighting witch and tank on fire) im not sure if my examples are good but i thnk theyre alright. Galaxy  guy26  (\___/) 13:30, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Let's just hope that the new achievments aren't as buggy as Crash Course's were.NomNom 13:54, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Spring
Anyone can tell me in which month The Passing will be released? Because I'm in the South America not in USA. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 00:27, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Give it 4-6 months. I'm in New Zealand, and somewhat sure it's going to be released around my autumn.(we have hot, dry Christmas' here.) --AstralShapeShifter 01:14, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Lolol you silly southern hemisphere-ians. :P Don't worry, sometime in March, April, or May. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  03:42, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

So far what ive heard, if things go well for Valve, it will be released in January.--xGREENCATx 08:59, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

It will be realeased in late March. If something goes wrong then probably early AprilJunedude433 23:23, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

a recent episode of sentuamessage that hasnt been seen on XBOX LIVE in america said the DLC was pushed back until spring. the video does not show up on the ofical xbox live website. Dynamicgrimking March 29 2010

This WILL Happen
The Survivors in L4D1 were going North, not South. This is impossible. XSuperGamer 01:34, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Your face is impossible.  Strong Intelligent 

Dude you dont have to be rude on the wiki so please dont--XIII-DARKNESS 01:26, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

The person above me has no tolerance for jokes. the person above the person above me has no tolerance for people who try to rain on other's parades.

Fatal logical error my friend, they may have been going North but when they were resqued by by the army they were probably forced to go south to get on the cruise ships and go to the only safe place for americans; The ocean. I assume they met because the zombies overran the vehicle they were in or the group.--Prof. 18:22, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Besides that, according to Crash Course, the only remaining evac zones are up north (in PA) and down south, since the one in PA is abandoned by the time the survivors get there, the army would probably try to bring them to the one in the south, however, the zombies (probably a Tank) could've destroyed the truck. --LazyLord777 00:43, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Who says there couldn't be evac zones in Canada? XSuperGamer 01:34, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Who says Canada would even LET a bunch of possibly infected refugees enter their country?Whachamacallit 15:14, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think that we (im canadian) wouldnt let any1 in the country once the virus broke out.

Canada's a VERY big place. No doubt they tried to come to Canada. But they would have to travel VERY far through tough terrain and probably decided to head south instead.(Also to support my theory, Most of the part of canada that connects to America(THE BORDER :P) Is the Canadian Shield, The most badass rocky terrain in THE WORLD)--Ill97 06:29, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the terrain would be tough for the infected too wouldn't it? XSuperGamer 23:05, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Canada still could be infected. mebbe airplanes carrying carriers or bitten people crashed in canada, started the infection and turned our friend in the north into hell. So then, they still could have found a need to go down south.

(I'm Canadian BTW) Well If it went south, Then it went north. We could be fighting them in California in L4D3. I even made A logo for the game. Go fight on a ski resort, Hold out in Winnipig, or just have a good time, eh! CrazyWitchhugger 02:42, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Chapters
Are we sure, or are we just assuming there are five chapters, I don't care if we are, I'm just wondering that's all. I don't want to be disappointed to only have 2 chapters to enjoy the old survivors. --LazyLord777 00:51, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * With as little info we have about it, yeah, we are assuming, I agree though: I hope it has 5 chapters.--<font color="DimGray">'Iron Tacoz <font color="SaddleBrown">450 <font color="Olive">RO <font color="LightGrey">A <font color="Indigo">R! 00:56, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I doubt that it would be five chapters. I expect that it will be two but I'm hoping for at least three or four. Unlikley that it would be anything over three though.Imperialscouts 04:18, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

I think it will be 5 Chapters. If there is still a 4 playable survivors limit and if the campaign does in fact "feature a meet up", then there will have to be enough chapters for all the characters to be playable and be mixed up a bit. Also, I don't think Value would make "the most important campaign in the Left 4 Dead story" less than 5 chapters. However, I wouldn't mind a shorter versus campaign for Left 4 Dead 2, just not with this important meet up storyline. --Verno 22:47, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Better not be like crash course, I was pretty excited for that, but it was too short, and i was dissapointed. No offense Valve.

Verno, wheres the most important quote from? cite? Valve might just punk us again. MrChemyCal 21:06, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Know what would rock? If there were 5 chapters. The first 2 would revolve around the L4D2 survivors, then switch to the original survivors for the next two. Then on the finale you could choose who you want to be out of the 8, and the other 4 could be bots.

There are actually 3 chapters. Chet said that @ X10. They were showing the middle chapter due to 1&3 having the old survivors in it.

If it's not one of us...
This is a joke, so don't be mad to me because I added this here. In Left 4 Dead, Zoey says: If it's not one of us... kill it. Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 characters have not seen each other before, so the campaign must be really weird, because Zoey kills all new survivors... --ŊυĐε 10:43, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * I doubt she'd kill any of them, they don't look like Helicopter pilots. Fadm tyler 22:22, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it won't be Zoey, but Francis instead! I hear he hates the south. But Nick would be okay with both them, cuz hes in Francis' gang AND shoots helicopter pilots! Purplemonkey55 04:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

But he hasnt shot the pilot yet. :P. Maybe hes following zoeys example of shooting infected pilots in the face. - Ill97

If it ain't A pilot, Hold your fire. Unless Brains are it's Favorite meal. So all Zombies, Pilot's and creepy old guuys beware....CrazyWitchhugger 02:33, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

8vs8 Will not be a Reality [Official]
There is a new article on L4DMods stating that there be no 8vs8 versus games, based on what programmer at Valve said. Personally, I wasn't really surprised or heart broken.--Verno 15:00, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha, me niether. Only way I see that coming is for like the next game in the series. Which shouldn't happen soon. Imperialscouts 18:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

i play 8vs8 matches on the pc so valve is talking bullshit. halflife2guy

How in the world do you play 8 vs 8? Do you mean 4 vs 4 where there are 8 players total? Cause there can't be more than 4 people to a team on Versus at the moment. :| Jo the Marten  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:23, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, they said on the PC...which means they're using an unofficial mod. If Valve has said there will not be 8 vs 8 multiplayer, they mean it will not be officially added or supported. As such, it would be impossible on the 360, and only possible on the PC through the use of 3rd party mods. Dan Dark 22:03, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

On PC It is possible. I actually used to play in a server of 8 vs 8. Just multiplicate both teams with mods, double the team, double the action, double the jackasses that run for the safehouse/rescue (Bridge L4D2) and leave teammates behind, so I wouldn't care if 8 vs 8 won't be a reality. -- LaZa  08:28, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Theory for Setting
Ellis crashes the car from Dead Center into the evac truck the L4D1 crew are riding in? -Archaeic 21:34, December 22, 2009 (UTC) But if when you start the Dark Carinval one, if you look behind you, there is a truck crashed in the background...
 * The stock car is seen in perfect condition in dark carnival. How would a stock car survive crashing into a armored APC? Imperialscouts 21:49, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * The stock car isn't exactly in perfect condition by Dark Carnival, but it definitely wasn't hit by an armored truck. However, the stock car could almost hit the truck, dodge it, but then crash into something less destructive. Also, the campaign is set in a rural town in Georgia.--Verno 22:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Verno's theory.
 * Great, so how did an APC that started out in Allgeny (or something like that) Forest end up in Georgia? Imperialscouts 05:53, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Imperial, they abandoned the Mainland, so they were obviously heading to board the ships. USER:.:.Troubled.:.
 * Ships? They never mentioned any ships, so obviously you are refering theoretical ships. Why couldn't there have been ships closer to where they are? I suppose you could argue that the ships in the North have already left and the ships down south haven't left yet (maybe) because the area wasn't hit as hard. But then why was there a military outpost or whatever that was in the forest if the closest evac was so far dow south? Again, I suppose there is an explaination for that, but everything becomes more and more unlikely the longer this goes on. Also, just for the record I'm not trying to be mean, merely logical. Imperialscouts 06:10, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * He's talking about the cruise ships the military commandeered that hold any Survivors the evacuated out. These ships are in the Gulf of Mexico, and thats where the rescue chopper at the end of The Parish takes them. The reason there probably weren't any ships nearer Pennsylavania is because that area was completely overrun with The Infected, so their wasn't anyone to evac them. That's the ships he was talking about.--<font color="DimGray">'Iron Tacoz <font color="SaddleBrown">450 <font color="Olive">RO <font color="LightGrey">A <font color="Indigo">R! 23:25, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * A possible reason for bringing the survivors down south, according to the map in Crash Course, the only remaining evac zone is the one down south. That and the one in Blood Harvest which by the time the survivors reach it, it is already overrun. --LazyLord777 18:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Well they can't possible Drive in a APC to Georgia. So a helicopter is needed. So another Helicopter crash I guess and The 4 new guys will have to make it to another car lot to find a working car. If it is 4 player only then the other 4 would be in the car. The Finale I need Ideas for...CrazyWitchhugger 02:29, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ive been doing some research on L4D2 (German Version). And I found out some melee weapons that might be in The Passing:

Kinfe Sledge Hammer And I found out about some weapons that we did not get but others did:

SMG AWM SG-552 COMMANDO STEYR SCOUT So theres only going ONE new firearm and ONE new melee weapon.. we'll just wait and see if any of these are it.


 * Two words: Bathroom break. Also, hurrdurr a majority of the weapons you named are for the Germans because they didn't get gore. Even I knew that, and it didn't take "research". 69.12.204.149 23:15, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, 'what ifs' for guns are great; put it in spectulation. also; Bathroom break is agreed. what if they needed gas or something. its happened before. and it could just end up like Gman: you see and interact, but no contact.MrChemyCal 21:03, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Goddamn it...
People, REASEARCH YOUR FACTS. or at least play the game before going "I found this so it proves BLAH BLAGH!" For example, "An interesting note, the voice clips for the Left 4 Dead 2 Survivors informally introducing themselves are already present in the game files. " Has this person not played dead center?! Pull it together people. --AstralShapeShifter 06:53, December 26, 2009 (UTC)(Your not-so friendly wiki-police)

I AGREE WITH AstralShapeShifter! You guys make all this random stuff about the passing IF YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING NEWW About the passing then dont put up random crap!--xGREENCATx 07:13, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * There ARE other pissed-off people here! I shall form an army.--AstralShapeShifter 08:13, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * First, it is "God damn". Second, you guys are looking like those valdals punks. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 15:16, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm elitist, and I admit it. But it MUST get on your nerves when someone posts the obvious... (Heil to the grammar nazi.)--AstralShapeShifter 10:06, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Haha! Ya --xGREENCATx 08:17, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Damn can I relate to this. I was reading over some of the pages (particularly with the witch), and at times I was getting kind of pissed at the articles! I mean, what sort of idiot wrote some of that?! It was insane! Nichtus 08:38, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Haha at Nichtus ya its making me SO PISSED OFF!--xGREENCATx 08:40, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

I find it quite entertaining that these people think they know everything. howver, I do admit it is quite fun to SPECTULATE and not ASSUME!MrChemyCal 20:53, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

8-Man Co-op was not denied
http://www.l4dmods.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=299:8vs8-will-not-be-a-reality&catid=2:news&Itemid=13

There will be no 8v8 Versus, but if there was no 8-Man Co-op, Mike would have said it there and then. --62.31.74.206 10:36, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Ok this has already been posted so this is just usless crap.--xGREENCATx 21:56, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * No...we didn't have reference until this was posted. Stop being rude, Greencat. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  22:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

How in the world am I being rude?--XGREENCATx 07:53, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * "So this is just useless crap" comes off kinda rude. And there's is other stuff too... Imperialscouts 08:02, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Because it was already posted .. oh well--XGREENCATx 08:04, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

From what I've gathered
From what I've gathered, it looks like "The Passing" has something to do with the L4D and L4D:2 crew's helicopter pilot. And them possibly being infected afterwards.

And my gut says it will explain more about these "Carriers" that we hear about at the end of The Parish at the start of the Bridge level. And "Infected Survivors".

Anybody have anything?

Um, no. Also, The Passing takes place between Dead Center and Dark Carnival, so the events of The Parish will not have taken place yet. Nelo Angelo 97 19:26, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

It says it takes between Dead Center and Dark Carnival, So there is no helicopter pilot, its Jimmy Gibbs Jr's car.--Boomette 19:45, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

How Is This Possible?
Okay, didn't the original survivors die at The Last Stand level or something? So isn't it impossible for the New survivors to meet up with the old ones?" Camster103 20:22, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Nope, somewhere I read/heard that Last Stand is what would happen if the survivors took a wrong turn. It was from someone official. Meaning it didn't happen! Imperialscouts 20:26, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Chet said that Last Stand was if the survivors took a wrong turn, them dying at the end of it is not canon to l4d's 5 campaigns. Regulust 18:18, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, but WHERE? I'd like a link or a magazine name. Something. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:30, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll look for it. It was a while ago though... Imperialscouts 19:28, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, on the article for the Last Stand, it mentions it in the notes section, claiming Chet said it. No real links though... I'll keep trying. Imperialscouts 22:04, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't find it. I've managed to find several allusions to it, mostly on forums that are debating this same issue. Someone said Official Xbox magazine comfirmed it but I've been up and down that site and found nothing. Sorry guys. Imperialscouts 00:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget that out of all of L4D's campaigns, only No Mercy and Crash Course have continuity. I've always regarded the other three campaigns and Last Stand to be alternate realities. P0lar bear 19:13, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Well, currently they don't have coninuity, Personally, I think Blood Harvest is the last campaign though. (In l4d)--Prof. 15:19, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention that there are Survival options for all the others campaigns as well, which, assuming that Last Stand was canon, would mean that all of those were technically canon as well. Last Stand is really a 'What If', Fanfiction-ish idea at best. Nice story, but doesn't really affect the characters. Wave Maker 02:14, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

what would the best left4dead1 and left4dead2 suvivor combo be??? 4 coop i mean.
i think it would be zoey,francis,nick,ellis. halflife2guy :) and please no off topic signs here, THANK YOU!
 * Nick, Nick, Nick and Nick.

watch the video on youtube called left 4 nicks lol no it would be zoey,zoey,zoey,zoey !!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!

Zoey, Ellis, Nick and Coach Regulust 07:16, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Zoey, Louis, Ellis, and Francis! (I'm totally NOT partial to the original survivors or anything...><) nightmirage

Zoey, Ellis, Nick, Louis.

Bill (He definatly has leadership SKILLZ), Ellis (coz he's my favourite character xD), Zoey ( for *drool* repopulation) and Louis (he supplies the PPiiLlLlz) Sabrelord 06:45, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Louis, Nick, Bill, Francis. I don't really like the other new survivors as much as the others.

Zoey, Ellis, Coach, and Louis! Screw Nick CrazyWitchhugger 04:38, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Has to be Zoey, Bill, Coach and Ellis Tongue guy 13:05, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

i think i should be zoey,zoey,nick,nick. ?somedude?

I noticed almost everyone chose Ellis and Zoey so Ellis, Zoey, Francis, Nick. LegendaryFroggy 20:16, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Melee weapon
I am almost certain it will be the Riot Shield. Regulust 07:14, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * With no riot cops in sight? Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  07:16, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

How can you be almost certain? You have no evidence to support that. It will probably be something that isn't found in the game files. Also, probably a common item, and riot shields aren't very common.--With care and happiness, <font color="Black">'Cut Off You Nose To Spider-Face <font color="Maroon">450 <font color="Indigo">DO IT! 18:51, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

C'mon SMS! Let the boy enjoy the life ^^ <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 22:14, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Life? What is The Life? Is it a Spy?--With care and happiness, <font color="Black">'Cut Off You Nose To Spider-Face <font color="Maroon">450 <font color="Indigo">DO IT! 22:35, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a freakin' cake! <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 00:25, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the cake a Spy? MY RIVAL IS A CAKE? DAMN IT!--With care and happiness, <font color="Black">'Cut Off You Nose To Spider-Face <font color="Maroon">450 <font color="Indigo">DO IT! 00:39, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Peek-a-boo!

Well, I honestly don't think it's gonna be the riot shield. It takes up half the screen, and there's already been a riot uncommon common, maybe add it to The Parish. I think it could be the MP40 and the knife. I've seen a video of a guy with an MP40 and a knife for weapons. And it seemed pretty cool.CHARG3R 21:42, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

new weapon is a mp5 new melee is a lead pipe new uncommon is a civil war reenactment soldier forgot to sign in its totemtrouser
 * You have any proof to back this up? They all sound...semi-plausible to me. A H&K MP5, while not overly exciting, would probably be a practical weapon; a lead pipe...yeah, sure, why not. And a Civil War reenactment soldier? Seeing that they're in the South, that could potentially work. (I'd assume most of them would be Confederates, of course. XP) But, again, do you have any proof, or is this just speculation on your part? --Dan Dark 20:50, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

alll speculation the mp5 is in all the posters and the german version of the game so i guessed it be a good wepon the lead pipe is a easily found item and idk how a civil war guy would effect the game buts all i could thing of 24.14.44.202 21:45, January 17, 2010 (UTC)totemtrouser24.14.44.202 21:45, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I could think of for a melee weapon would be a shovel. Mainly because they've used all of the practical TF2 melee weapons (axe, machete, baseball bat) except for the shovel.Captainium 20:03, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Someone said it can't be the riot sheild because it's uncommon. But now a katana isn't exactly common is it? And I heard somewhere there was originally supposed to be a flare gun in the game. If they modled it after the TF2 version then it would be like an incidenary grenade launcher. Like say the grenade launcher is the explosice ammo, then the flare gun is the incidenary? Idk. That was full of spelling errors. MrJoe95 04:27, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Melee Weapon: Golf Club (Driver) Gun: M60 machine gun (limited ammo) Uncommon common: Fallen Survivor, (runs away [like screamer] but has health, pipe bomb etc. NomNom 17:44, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

New gametype?
I've been wondering what this'll be. My guess is a 4 vs. 4 team deathmatch game. The L4D survivors vs. the L4D2 survivors. And while they're all fighting, the Infected would also be trying to kill them. I've also been thinking of 4 vs. 4 vs. 4, with the same concept but other players can control the Infected. It's TF141 vs. Shadow Company vs. Ultranationalists all over again! Niel15

I guess coop isn't deathmatch... And no. Just no. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 13:26, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

an EPIC BATTLE between the forces of suvivors and the forces of zombies in one last show downhalflife2guy

How about a mode like Versus except each team of Survivors tries to get to the Checkpoint/Saferoom first. if both teams die it's based on how far they got and it could be playable on all difficulties. Good idea? CloudReaper 19:25, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

How about a killing contest. seeing who can kill the most common infected before they die, with the difficulty increasing every few minutes. the difficulty would start on casual then eventualy get to expert. Dynamicgrimking march 30, 2010

Dialouge?
I can only imagine what the originals' reactions to the new infected will be. Anyone?

Holy $#&%!! What is that thing! That... Thing... It-it... I dont wanna talk about it. I hate long necked zombies. I hate overalls. Hey! Someone I can relate to! I hate things that hump. thats all I can think of for the originals. At the moment.--Prof. 17:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nick: I hate coesters. Francis: Wait a sec-I'M THE ONLY ONE ALLOWED TO HATE THINGS! <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 18:32, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Zoey dies* Everyone except Rochelle: Nooooooooooooooooooo! Rochelle: I'm still here! Guys: Meh.

More like this: *Zoey dies* Everyone except Rochelle: "No!! Zoey! Why?!" Rochelle: "Don't worry, guys, I'm still alive!" Everyone else: "DAMN IT." -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 21:49, January 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why must everyone be hating on Ro? Just because she doesn't say a whole lot (And even this is untrue, as she speaks plenty) doesn't warrant hating her. She has done nothing to deserve all this hate.--With care and happiness, <font color="Black">'Cut Off You Nose To Spider-Face <font color="Maroon">450 <font color="Indigo">DO IT! 01:29, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I don't hate her... I just don't like her. I don't dislike her either. I'm completely neutral on her character. Imperialscouts 01:43, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Rochelle as a AI sucks. She doesent save you if you got smokered of something. Dalekdude101 03:34, March 12, 2010 (UTC)Dalekdude

To be fair, Rochelle would have had to have been completely amazing beyond all reason to compete with Zoey. And since she's not people hate on her. I like Rochelle plenty, but I think Zoey is ten times cooler than her.Nightmirage 18:10, January 14, 2010 (UTC)nightmirage

I hate Rochelle cause she screws up all the time. But, how can you hate a girl with such a nice ass?


 * Real classy anonymous. Nice to know so much thought goes into whether or not the characters are cool. Imperialscouts 14:27, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Zoey dies*

Nick: There goes repopulating the Earth...

Rochelle: I'm still here...

Nick: Goddamn it, can't believe this...

Rochelle: Hey!

lol, it'd be sooooo funny if that happened...CHARG3R 22:01, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

*cricket*
We need more info on this DLC

* cat* Then go tell Valve that. -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 00:07, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

* moose* I just wanted to make an animal noise. --LazyLord777 02:39, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

* fat person* We'll see more info as it comes, valve's probably not even sure what they want to add. --AstralShapeShifter 08:39, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

* Tank rawrs* Until it comes out there will probably be some guy posting a rumor or 2. Lets hope I didnt jinx anything.--Prof. 15:34, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

* Gary Glitter* It's probably going to get cancelled </Pessimist> Nelo Angelo 97 17:03, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

* Kah-BEEAN!!!* I doubt it would get canceled, were already riled up enough.--Prof. 19:05, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * * Rapist* Hold on, I'm comin', i'm comin! Nelo Angelo 97 19:31, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

* Ellis* One time ma buddy Kieth and I were excited for the Midnight Riders' album to come out, so we build this here time machine to go into the future to when it comes out. But Kieth says there was a malfunction and we only went 1 second into the future. Which is very unlikely cause time machines don't really exist, except for that one movie were that kid and the mad scientist made a really cool fly'n car, but not as cool as Jimmy Gibbs' car right here. Speaking of which, I ever tell you bout the time...

* Coach* We ain't got time for this, Ellis

* Ellis* ...okay

* Giraffe* Dude, we can not pull information outta are asses. VaultGuru 19:52, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Uncommon infected
It might be Fallen Survivor. Molotov explosion replaced with something else or at least removed, of course. It would be cool that he is immune to headshots due helmet, or something.ŊυĐε 12:51, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be alot like the Construction Worker though? MrJoe95 04:19, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think the construction worker is actually immune to headshots. Imperialscouts 02:55, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I would say that an uncommon infected that drops items would be helpful ingame. But give them double health.CrazyWitchhugger 02:18, February 11, 2010 (UTC) The Construction Worker is unaffected by pipe bombs. 96.236.162.44 18:54, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChXxL9cdIpI 0:29 189.221.24.16 19:04, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Well, well, well.... I was right about that uncommon =D It was Fallen survivor! ŊυĐε 15:06, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Because Fallen Survivor carries health and grenades etc., they should be really rare to find. The whole campaign would be too easy: "Oh no... I'm on black & white, 1 hp and no pills or med-kit. Hey! Fallen Survivor." Shoot it and take med-kit. You are saved. ŊυĐε 08:59, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

When is this coming out!
Oh my god!! It has been a good 4 months since this page was set up, and we still dont have any more information regarding what we are to expect!! We haven't even gotten an exact date as to when it will be released, but they did say earily spring so that should be very soon. So why aren't we getting anything? Honestly, have they even made this DLC yet?


 * Technically it's been 2 months. And it'll come out sometime next season. Just be patient. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  19:11, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * By 'next' season do you mean next year's spring, or the season coming after this one?
 * She means this year's spring. And spring isn't here yet. It could still be a month or two before it comes out. As Marten said, just be patient.

Whachamacallit 00:31, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, they (meaning Valve) said The Passing would be available in March... well it's March now, so the least they can do is update us with a date NewbieSim 03:55, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Its March 16, still no passing.....still waiting.....still DESPRETE anonomous, and it shall stay that way....MUAHAHAHAHA

It's March 26, the release date, and IT IS NOT OUT!!! C'mon Valve!!!!!

-Pyro Ninja

valve is being stupid but all i can say is cant wait for april 15 suposid relise date to come Halflife2guy 18:13, April 7, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy

here you go
I'm bad at summarizing so here is a article i found about the passing so here http://kotaku.com/5469905/left-4-dead-2s-the-passing-coming-march-followed-by-comic-more-l4d-dlc

forgot to sign its --Totemtrouser 22:44, February 11, 2010 (UTC)totemtrouser--Totemtrouser 22:44, February 11, 2010 (UTC)also i changed it myself anyway i might of missed some punctuation but i don't think i missed much (not that great with comas)

New Info
Apparently, the new survivors won't be face to face with the old survivors, much like Whitaker how he merely helped them through an obstacle so you can get by. So I guess the old survivors just simply cover you while you get to the rescue vehicle or help you out at a distance or even do what Whitaker did and clear the way.

...Darn it. I was scouring the pictures for Zoey. But it still looks awesome! Nightmirage 18:17, February 12, 2010 (UTC)nightmirage

Told Y'all...
That the Fallen Survivor was going to be the new Uncommon Infected.  Pikmin  1254 

кPoster
I really hope the poster isn't the official one as it's pretty ugly. Regulust 08:38, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I honestly think it is. I really really do. Ellis' neck is eff'd up, Coach has one arm and barely a wrist (plus his face was pretty much copied from The Parish), Rochelle looks weird (I like Rochelle so you won't see any "Hurp Rochelle is ugly) jokes from me.), and then the laziness of just copying the Survivors from Dead Air. Hell, look at Louis' leg! Who has a leg like that? It's a freaking rectangle. It also lacks a tagline. I think the biggest hint of all are the "credits" at the bottom. Believe it or not, those are unique for each campaign, and the credits here were taken from Hard Rain. So with all this evidence, I don't know why people keep assuming it's official when we only saw it on Destructiod (who use to think the Haggard was official need I remind you.) That's all I have to say about that. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:02, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

I cry when: angels deserve to die and when Chet confirms this poster to be official... Today i cried. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/x10-the-left-4-dead/61912 WardenerNL Feb 13, 2010, 13:53

...They copied the survivors from Death Toll, not Dead Air. Just thought I'd throw that in...Captainium 22:31, February 13, 2010 (UTC) I also just realised something else... The old survivors in the background don't have feet on their silhouette because it's from the Death Toll poster and you can't see their feet on that. Now that's just shoddy work Valve.Captainium 22:38, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyone got a pic of the poster? My computer is screwing up and I can't see what you're talking about. Imperialscouts 18:31, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Who cares its just the poster, its not that much of a big deal, its not like the poster affects the gameplay or anything - Startled Bitch

8 coop
Maybe it isn't an 8 coop mode, but 4v4 co-op mode? Just an idea. :S Powers38Talk 09:56, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Only three chapters?
Who the heck removed two TBAs on the chapters thing? Meeting the old Survivors there doesn't mean it ends there. Sorry if I sounded rude. Megaron 11:26, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did. I was reading up on multiple sources that there are only 3 chapters and the Survivors appear in the last one to help them escape. Here's proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnfVEty_bBQ Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:02, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Jo is right. I just watched the video and the play tester said there will only be 3 chapters.Ray 17:17, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Chubbyhug

Golf Club & Other Weapons
If a golf club is the alleged, new melee weapon, how do you think it will work? I think it will be like the crowbar and will only decapitate the part you aim at. As for the M60, do you think they will change the single magazine and give it more ammo? And speaking of that, where is a new gameplay video?

I hope there is a flame thrower though, it would take as long as a Molotov to kill a Tank. It should have gas, like the chainsaw, too. Pikmin  1254 

Hopefully both new weapons appear outside of The Passing aswell. Also the golf club decapitate something? Since when can you decapitate with a golf club? It'll be like the Tonfa or Frying Pan and will not decapitate. Regulust 01:52, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at the Baseball and Cricket bats. In real life, you couldn't decapitate someone with those. The golf club would have a better chance of doing so, as it has a heavy head, which is what you would hit infected with. It easily could be like the Nightstick or Frying Pan, but I doubt it.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 02:03, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

If you used enough force with a baseball bat or Cricket Bat you could decap someone. No amount of brute force using a golf club could decap anyone... It should be quite apparent. ಠ_ಠ Regulust 03:59, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

No, no one except, maybe (and I stress maybe) Mr. Galaxy could really decapitate someone with a Baseball Bat, Cricket Bat, or Golf Club. You would have the best chance with a club, though, as the part you would hit someone with is the heavy head, which would give you more momentum, and, therefore more force. But, in real life, you couldn't get a head off with one of these weapons. But, I would be really surprised if you couldn't get a CI's head off with a club.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 04:03, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised no one made a Tiger Woods joke yet. Pikmin  1254 


 * TO HUMOR YOU, Pikmin: (I hope everyone has heard about the recent scandals with Tiger, right?) The Survivors found him in the Happy Sex Shop. Not the kind of joke you were looking for, but a Tiger joke nontheless.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 23:46, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Let's keep this Between Us, Tiger and The Dead Witch that he had with him at the time CrazyWitchhugger 03:41, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ouuuchhhh! *applause* Bravo, CrazyWitchhugger! And now for something productive: I agree that the golf club will probably act like the crowbar and only decapitate the part you hit.Nightmirage 06:10, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Did anybody think that maybe the zombies are weaker now since they're well, zombies, which would make it easier to decapitate one with something like a golf club or a baseball bat. And furthermore, the only way to decapitate something is by removing the head, and by saying "you can only decapitate the part you hit" is kind of redundant because you shouldn't be able to decapitate something by hitting it in the foot. I don't mean to come across as mean or rude, just trying to point out a few things I thought of, also thought I'd try to get this off the topic of Tiger Woods. LazyLord777 21:30, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Upcoming DLC for L4D1-Companion to The Passing?
"An upcoming DLC for the original Left 4 Dead will tell how the original Survivors came into The Passing."

Wait, where did this info come from? I've watched the trailer like 80 times, and I didn't hear that. Where's the verification for this? 'Cause I hope it's true! Nightmirage 04:09, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

It was announced with the new screenshots from The Passing. More info when The Passing is launched.CrazyWitchhugger 04:38, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

They also announced it on the Xbox 360, in an interview about the The Passing. PD400 0:6:52, February 17, 2010

"Don't sweat it, Ellis. At least you got us out of that mall"
I have a question... the quote above is one of the responses that Nick says in the beginning if Dark Carnival... but isn't the Passing supposably after Dead Center and before Dark Carnvial? Are they going to erase that quote... or update it with a better one? 71.156.3.53 17:05, February 13, 2010 (UTC)NewbieSim

Maybe they escape from a mall at the end of the Passing?--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 23:14, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's simply a response to his idea for using the car in the first place, and that it got them away from Liberty Mall. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  23:23, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

It's pretty much what Jo said. Regulust 04:00, February 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dude, don't just say things to say things. --With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 04:04, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there is still one thing that contradicts The Passing. They left Dead Center with the stock car, and it ends up in Dark Carnival. Why would they leave it for The Passing only to use it to get to the next place? Zalbaag 21:47, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe they have to get out because something is blocking their way and then they get rid of the blockage o use the stock car again? Similar to Hard Rain. Regulust 05:33, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

I thought that the original survivors might take it for some reason it would explain why they are present at the start and end of the campaign but not the middle or maybe its just like with hard rain where you have to backtrack 165.84.1.71 21:01, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe because they didn't plan on making the passing when recording dialogue, and are simply going to (not) change it. Dalekdude101 22:02, March 31, 2010 (UTC) Dalekdude101

When the L4D1 survivors appear.
The L4D1 survivors will meet up with the L4D2 survivors where they will set up Coach, Ellis, Rochelle and Nick up for the rest of the chapters, where they will meet up for the Finale.

It says so here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF98cRYLLs8

Someone deleted my previous edit regarding the first survivors meeting up with the second survivors. I have added it again. I haven't made it up and I have gave a link about, so I think it should stay. Hohenstaufen 18:43, February 14, 2010 (UTC)Hohenstaufen

Who keeps changing it to they will meet up in the third chapter?? Watch the video I have supplied above; On the video, Chet says he is starting from the second chapter because he doesn't want to show you the L4D1 survivors in the first chapters, as he wants you to get the full impact when playing. Watch the freaking video.


 * It is stated on multiple sources that the old Survivors meet the new ones in the first chapter, leave, and then reunite in the last chapter to help them escape. Watch more than just one video. ;) Jo 


 * the Marten [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:41, February 15, 2010 i have one little question why the hell cant


 * we play as the old suvivors? i need some proof that the new info is relative cause i thought that we could play as the old suvivors. if you cant then im sur as hell not geting this dlc!!!!!!!Halflife2guy 16:53, February 17, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy

It's Left 4 Dead 2 so it should go without saying you'd play as only the Left 4 Dead 2 survivors. Regulust 07:09, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Proof?
cam someone find proof for: In a gameplay video, you can see the Midnight Riders tour bus speeding across a street. This may mean the Midnight Riders are, like the Survivors, trying to escape, or the people in the bus may be the Left 4 Dead survivors. because i have never seen a bus in the videos i saw --Totemtrouser 01:39, February 17, 2010 (UTC)totemtrouser--Totemtrouser 01:39, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU4dw3VtxD4 if you look at it closely... just before the bus rushes past the garbage container... pause and you can see the "Midnight Riders" logo flash in white before proceeding behind the cement truck. NewbieSim 02:17, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Rochelle
I love how it says Rochelle looks like a man. Um, duh!! In gameplay, she looks everything like a man. Actually, she's more like a monkey.


 * Great. Why does this matter? Imperialscouts 21:15, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Who cares if it matters or not. Guys just trying to make comic relief. To be honest, I hate Rochelle, too.--FawkesGamer360 23:46, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

This isn't really contributing, is it? Hohenstaufen 12:43, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who gives a fuck man? Discussion pages aren't just about talking about stupid gay shit on how to improve the page. Man, why can't you guys just let the Discussion pages be a forum?


 * Actually, that's exactly what they're for. Don't believe me, go consult Wikipedia's "About" or "Terms of Use" Section. If you want a forum, we have one linked on the side bar. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  16:21, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

It's not up to us whether this page is a discussion page and not a forum - if you don't like it, speak to the Administrators.

Hohenstaufen 20:10, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

What, just because Rochelle isn't supermodel gorgeous means she's ugly? Grow the fuck up dude, if you think all women are filling 34 DD cups then you're mistaken. this is why games are rated 17+

So, who do you think is on the bus/want to be on the bus?
I think it could be the Midnight Riders - but I don't want it to be! I want it to be the Survivors! What an awesome way to arrive. But, judging by the video, I think it is the midnight riders, I can't imagine the survivors, driving around in a big illuminated bus honking the horn as the drive through streets of infected.


 * I thought the Midnight Riders were helivac'd, according to the hate message graffiti in the Safe Room of The Concert. Primal80s 15:58, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Dude above me, this is BEFORE Dark Carnival so they could of got evac'd straight after the passing as they are driving a bus, demolishing everything in it's path. Worthysauce01

PICTURES!
OMG! Haven't been here for 2 weeks I think, and now here are pictures! OMG I CANT WAIT ANYMORE! I WANT TO PLAY THIS D':

God damnit, forgot to sign ŊυĐε 14:33, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Do you know there are several videos regarding The Passing - not just photos? The link is above. Hohenstaufen 20:12, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
What the hell are you rageing for? I know that there are pictures AND videos, and I just said here are pictures now. I didn't mean " hey what the fuck? only pictures!? This site sucks" And I haven't searched videos from youtube because I didn't know we already have this much information of this DLC. Im not any fucking nolifer who searchs videos from youtube about DLC that haven't been released yet! ŊυĐε 16:22, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, chill out. No one was raging. It was just typed in bold. We don't need that kind of attitude on here. Nightmirage 18:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC) Nightmirage

Dude - I wasn't raging, I just typed it in bold to make it look neater. At what point did I say you thought this site sucks. You need to chill out before your attitude gets you into trouble.

Tagline?
Any ideas? "Good old times" came into my mind, because old survivors. Or something like that. Give your ideas! ŊυĐε 12:48, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe the silhouette of the old survivors takes the place of a tagline? Fadm tyler 15:32, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

"They're not dead yet." LazyLord777 17:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

"team up...or die" thats a cool one i thought of Halflife2guy 17:30, February 24, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy

"Team up, or lie down."

"They're dying to see/meet you." Agent Midnight 20:50, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

"The gangs all here" or "Just passing by"CrazyWitchhugger 07:54, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

My favorite is still "Misery loves company." The Game, Joe. 21:19, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

"Back to Back"Dalekdude101 00:06, March 12, 2010 (UTC)Dalekdude101

its been confirmed "Nobody lives forever"

Comic About the Original 4
Do we have any more info about this comic that's being released about the original survivors? I know Chet mentioned it in the interview and said it would show how they came to the area where The Passing takes place. Do we know if this is going to be an online thing or a legit comic that you can go get in a bookstore? Either way, I can't wait! Moar Zoey :-D Nightmirage 18:13, February 19, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage


 * He said it would be web comic, and the web comic will not show how the survivors got to the Passing. There's a DLC coming out a month after the Passing that will explain how the Survivors got there.Whachamacallit 18:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it's a month? Because I haven't heard anything about it and I'm too lazy to go look it up myself. LazyLord777 20:48, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm sure that it's a month.Whachamacallit 14:02, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Where did he say it's a web comic? I re-watched the interview, and he kept saying "comic book". Plus, do we know if the comic is supposed to come out at the same time as The Passing or between it and the new DLC? I'm just so full of questions. =P Nightmirage 00:50, February 26, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

He did say "comic book"? I just presumed it was a webcomic, but maybe it is a comic book. I don't recall the exact site where Chet said this, but I think it's one of the links on the Passing page. I gotta refresh my memory, hang on.Whachamacallit 14:05, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

3 Possibilities
Chet has stated in an interview that there will be one of three courses the campaign will take. One being Ellis having a crush on Zoey, talking about her throughout the campaign and somehow affecting the finale. (Aw I hope he doesn't get sad when they seperate. Ellis is my favorite character.), the second being some sort of confrontation between Nick and Francis. (Not friendly. Oh well, they're my two least favorite anyway.), and now to the buisness part of this, an unknown third. I heard somewhere a leadershuip struggle between Bill and Coach? But that would've only really worked if the entire group was together... Thoughts? MrJoe95 07:17, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

If I wanted a cliche and overhyped romance, I would have gotten Twilight. TheDesertFox 07:39, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Any chance you could show us the interview? How can we be too sure you're not just pulling that out of your ass, mate. MatthewLepore 12:31, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

--Oops, sorry, just found it :D Sorry about that, I woke up early this morning. MatthewLepore 12:34, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, I thought Chet said that in the beginning levels, there would be ONE of the scenarios that play out (ZoeyxEllis, Nick/ Francis, etc.) and then throughout the campaigns (depending on which one of the scenario was chosen by the Director) The characters would continue talking about what happened/ their thoughts (etc.) about it... during the 2nd and finale levels of the game. NewbieSim 16:14, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

-He Did. Sprry my wording was unclear. MrJoe95 23:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Personnally, I hope by god it won't be the first one. That's just so stupidly cliche. Or if it's that one, Zoey shows no sort of attraction to Ellis except in maybe a friendly manner. But the second one sounds quite commical.Whachamacallit 19:11, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree completely. You have echoed my thoughts down to the letter. Imperialscouts 21:16, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Don't yell at me, go yell at Chet. MrJoe95 19:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

I feel like Zoey really won't show any mutual attraction to Ellis. And I think that situation could be really funny because we all know how Ellis spins stories. I don't see why everyone's so upset about it. Nightmirage 04:49, February 21, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

I don't see what the big deal is. 1. Boys constantly hit on girls their age (some even not their age). So it's not like it's anything uncommon. And 2. It's a zombie apocalypse. To find someone in your age range that isn't a flesh eating zombie, it's no surprise he might be a bit overly releived. Gotta keep the species alive, you know. Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  05:04, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree with you. I'm pretty sure if you guys read some of the fanfictions or see the fanart of Nick/Ellis, you'll be begging to see some minor Ellis/Zoey in here. Probably an overeaction since I like my two favorites interacting like that, but seriously, the fanart and fanfictions are WAY too much @_@.


 * UGH. Don't remind me. Brings me back to my days as an Avatar fan (the TV show, has nothing at all to do with the recent movie)... the horror... come to think of it, that was another thing that annoyed me about this. I'm preparing for an explosion of Ellis/Zoey crap. Please note: I'm not 100% serious. Well, I am about the avatar thing. Imperialscouts 02:30, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was merely annoyed with the clichedness of it. More of a "oh brother" thing. Imperialscouts 05:29, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's perfect. I'd love to see Zoey get a bit weirded out by Ellis' advances.

I wonder how the finale will be, with them having to part. MatthewLepore 05:54, February 21, 2010

Okay... This is starting to get awkward. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 13:47, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'm think of him saying something like "Man, you smell nice... Like when Keith did when his girlfriend sprayed perfume in his eyes when he was late for their date. Smelled like daisy's for 3 weeks..." CrazyWitchhugger 07:58, February 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Stay focused, Ellis

Happy Sex Shop D:?
What were they doing there? Repopulation has begun! ŊυĐε 13:33, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

ellis/zoey go in there to have a little fun!!! XD Halflife2guy 18:26, February 24, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy


 * I just KNEW someone was gonna make that joke... Imperialscouts 14:44, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

I feel Francis got to pick their shelter that time around...lolz Nightmirage 04:51, February 25, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

Ellis: OH MY GOD! IT'S SEX SHOOOOP! I HAVE to go there, just for a little while! Cooool! Look at all this awesome stuff! Hey, what is this?

Coach: Well... That's... Ellis, maybe we should go now... ŊυĐε 14:38, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ellis/Zoey? Nope. Nick/Zoey/Rochelle definately.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 23:41, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

... This gotten out of hand. Kindly shut up, please. Imperialscouts 05:05, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

.......I second that notion. It was funny until a threesome was brought in...then I got perturbedNightmirage 05:34, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys we could use this vibrating stick as a weapon! - Ayllus

There's a chainsaw here! No, wait... No it's not... ŊυĐε 12:39, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Nick and Louis?
I was reading the notes of the passing and I saw something that caught my eye. It said nick and louis kiss. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but nick sure isn't gay(just look at his hickey and the lipstick on his suit) and louis doesn't seem gay either.Chubbyhug 19:43, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well the lipstick could've been a dude wearin- Okay, nevermind. Whoever wrote that was either joking around, made a mistake, or was making things up. Chet already explained what the possibilities for Survivor interactions were, and only Ellis having a crush on Zoey comes close to that note. Whoops! I forgot to sign in. This is Whachamacallit 128.135.113.75 19:50, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, I had a felling someone made it as a joke. I've seen alot of it around lately. One dude made a page on ancient hunters, another on L4D3. Come on, that WILL be deleted, so why would people do that?Chubbyhug 22:29, February 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Runs to a bathroom and pukes in the toilet. Heads out of the stall to see a boomer* "Some guy's were talking about Nick x Louis *Boomer runs to bathroom stall*
 * How come I've never met a Boomer polite enough to barf in a toilet not on me.LazyLord777 20:07, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've never seen a boomer in real life CrazyWitchhugger 04:11, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Cost
I Hope this DLC will be free just like all previous ones.B-MAN 20:15, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

They will not meet face to face?
If they don't, how it is possible that Ellis has crush on Zoey, Nick and Francis have "friendly discussion" and everything if they never SEE each other.. AND, I'm sorry about that raging few days (weeks?) ago, I had bad day.... Sorry 10 million times... ŊυĐε 14:35, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's quite possible to be attracted to someone initially by their voice. Plus if Zoey is the first girl other than Rochelle that Ellis has heard of, I don't blame him for getting rather excited. As for Nick and Francis, I'm just assuming they're both just being their usual, snarky selves and end up pissing one another off before they even meet.Nightmirage 00:15, February 26, 2010 (UTC) Nightmirage

Ever seen the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead? The male survivors, Michael, Glen, Steve, CJ, Tucker, and especially the police officer Kenneth become good friends with Andy, the owner of a gun shop across the parking lot of the Crossroads Mall, where the survivors are holed up, despite never meeting in person until Andy becomes infected. Through the use of white-boards and walkie talkies, the Andy and the survivors play Chess, hunting games, and share information. MatthewLepore 15:24, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Where does it say they don't meet face to face? I thought they met in Chapter 1 and again in Chapter 3. LazyLord777 20:02, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

It might have been deleted or something, but I'm sure, that I read it from somewhere. It was in the notes section, or at the beginning of the article, but I'm too tired to search for it right now. I'm 99% sure about it, that the information is somewhere there (1% chance that it was my dream D:) ŊυĐε 13:43, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I found it now! It's in message named: New information. Read it. ŊυĐε 13:49, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry... It's: New Info. ŊυĐε 13:50, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Happy Sexshop
Okay... the store's name is actually "The Happy Sexshop", and not actually "Happy Sex Shop"...

Interestingly enough, I was so amused with this that I decided to google it, and I found that this store actually seems to exist: http://images.travelpod.com/users/sianeth/amsterdam07.1179960660.img_0116.jpg

any thoughts? could it be a reference to this sex shop on Amsterdam?


 * this is REALLY odd...and for some odd reason, it reminds me of Kill Bill's Pussy Wagon--Loub 12:29, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Guys this is a wiki... If you want talk about dirty things in the game use the forum. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 15:00, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well..Ignorance is REALLY a bliss...

what kind of dirty thing am I talking about? I am just pointing that "The Happy Sexshop" is probably a reference to a real life store; .there is nothing dirty about it, unless your mind is full of toxic waste and fish shaped stuff.

unlike some people, I think with my BRAIN, and not my GONADS...

And the image is also a safe link, there is no strong graphical content in there, I am just pointing out that it might be a reference to that store, it is relevant, safe and on-topic--Loub 15:09, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Okay..since no one seems to care, I will mention it on the trivia section by myself--Loub 20:36, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

About the sewers/drains
I know this is off topic but I think this is a bit of a running gag in the Left 4 Dead series. In No Mercy there was the sewers, the drains in Death Toll, the sewers are going to appear in the Passing, and also in the Parish there is the sewers [ or drains]. I actually felt like sharing this with you.


 * Or the fact that these towns/facilities have underground plumbing... Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  03:38, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not only that but once the Passing comes out, we'll have to go through the sewers twice in both games. LazyLord777 01:01, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really care. But I would walk through a sewer just to play The Passing CrazyWitchhugger 04:34, March 10, 2010 (UTC) Hey, it wouldn't be a Left 4 Dead game if it didn't have sewers or a construction site. Log Out 21:24, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone notice?
Probably just my overreactive imagination, but there is what looks oddly like the face of a Tank or Boomer on the campaign poster. Directly above the butt of Coach's weapon on an overhanging shop sign. As I said, it's most likely just my imagination. JPanzerj 14:14, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

I see something there, but not any kind of face... ŊυĐε 16:09, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Witch's New Skin?
It keeps being put up in the article that the witch is supposed to be getting a new skin for The Passing. Does anyone have proof for this or is it just a rumor that keeps resurfacing?Nightmirage 21:14, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Go ask Jo the Marten CrazyWitchhugger 04:35, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think there should be an achievement to kill the Witch Bride. One Wedding and a Funeral?

Sorry, for deleting the picture there. We didn't need it. My quick suggestion, "Here cr0wns the bride"...

That picture is really bad, but picture is picture. Now we have proof that there is new Witch skin. Wedding Witch, nice idea! And sign your posts. ŊυĐε 12:59, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Achievement Ideas
Post your Idea's for Acheivements for The Passing here CrazyWitchhugger 04:24, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

FORE!: Kill 444 zombies with a Golf club CrazyWitchhugger 04:24, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

THE UNSURVIVOR: Kill 10 Fallen Survivors CrazyWitchhugger 04:27, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Let it be not 444 but 4000 then... I miss "genocidest" achievements from l4d1)

This would be harder (and better), if it would be: Kill 10 Fallen Survivors before they notice you. And this is just my thought, of course. ŊυĐε 11:10, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well 4000 kill's with a golf club would be hard CrazyWitchhugger 03:21, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

I dunno about name for this, but: Run throught the sewers in (example) 3 minutes. Like that bridge achievement. ŊυĐε 15:29, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

'''Sewege Rush! '''How do you like that? CrazyWitchhugger 03:21, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Robbed Zombie part 2: Steal 10 Med-kits from Fallen Survivor. ŊυĐε 15:29, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

haha, "no health insurance for zombies"

Well, I made that name in 5 seconds, make better if you want. ŊυĐε 11:10, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Commie Zombie: Kill (amount) of zombies with the M60 Pvt. Reddenbawker 18:12, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Reference to Americans killing the commies with the M60:)

I don't really think anyone would get the "Commie" part of that one, and if the Chinese played that I don't think they'd be too happy. TheDesertFox 20:10, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

How about Better dead than red! or something like that Tongue guy 13:12, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Price Is Wrong!

Kill 100 zombies with the Golf Club.

That one is genious! Here would be my picks.

'''Continuity Assured! ''' Complete The Passing with all survivors alive...

Blackout Shmackout  Survive the darkened sewer crecendo event...

'''I Swear Im Not Aiming! ''' Empty your M60 of its ammo without hitting ANYTHING exept living zombies...

Frenenemies Forever  Meet the other team of survivors...

The Only Club I Need  Kill one of each special infected, excluding the Tank, with a golf club.

Those are my five ideas. --Desert Rat, not from Nevada. ATEFI man and proud of it! 00:31, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Here's Some more of mine. Lets see if we can get Jo to make one upCrazyWitchhugger 03:21, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Just Passing or New Friends: Complete The Passing Campaign

I can Top That: Kill 6000 Infected while playing The Passing

!New Faces: Kill a Spitter, Jockey, or Charger while playing as one of the Old Survivors (Only If we play as the Old survivors.)

!Fresh Kill: Attack one of the Old Survivors as a Jockey, Charger, or Spitter (Only If we play as the Old survivors.)

Pound of Meat: Kill a Tank with Special Tier weapons (No Gernades, No melee, Gas can okay)

Path Clearer: Kill 75 zombies with One clip of the M60 Machine Gun

Wedding Crashers: Complete a Survival Round on The Passing / Park Wedding

Gas Lesson: Complete a Scavenger Mission in the Passing (Gotta show them How we Roll)

Team Effort: Win a medal in a Passing survival match with all the Survivors alive

Every Shot Counts: Kill x amount of Special Infected with one drum of M60 ammunition (no more than four or five)

Oh, and CrazyWitchhugger, we won't be able to play as the old Survivors in L4D2, and it's a magazine, not a clip. :P TheDesertFox 23:22, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

!Til Death Do Us Part: Find the Witch bride and kill her with no Survivor casualty (This is depending whether or not the Witch Bride is real)

Down in the Dumps: As any Infected, incapitate a Survivor during the Sewer Crescendo

Hole in One: Use only the golf club throughout the campaign

Parting is Such Sweet Sorrow: Complete The Passing

I Don't: Avoid any witch encounters

Err... that's all I can come up with haha NewbieSim 02:46, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Memories Past: Complete The Passing.

Here Comes the Bride: Startle the Witch Bride.

Bogey: Kill the most Common Infected using nothing but a Golf Club.

Big Ass Machine Gun: Kill 1,000 zombies with the M60.

I've Survived Worse: Kill a Fallen Survivor with a Molotov found from a different Fallen Survivor. LazyLord777 15:47, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Happy Kill-More kill X infected with golf club

And this isn't for the passing, but the new L4D1 DLC- you get the achievement for sacrificing yourself, to make up for not being able to complete the campaign. Will come up with mroe later. Log Out 21:23, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Filthy Stinking Survivors - Survive the Sewer

Filth over Sewer Water - Run through the Sewer and reach the Saferoom within 5 minutes.

The Parting - Survive the Passing

Un-Passable - Beat the Passing with all New Survivors

Old Fashioned - Survive the Passing with only a Tier 1 Weapon. Dalekdude101 22:17, March 31, 2010 (UTC)Dalekdude101

Hello, Goodbye- Survive the Passing Wizkid5000 00:43, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering...
I like that theres going to be new acheivements, and the ideas people are giving are awesome, but was this ever actually confirmed? Or are we just going for common sense? The Game, Joe. 23:34, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure nothings been confirmed yet. Yonobi 23:48, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

None of the actual achievements have been confirmed yet, but someone from Valve (Chet, maybe?) did say in one of the videos that there will be new achievements with this DLC.Nightmirage 00:29, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

OF COURSE they gonna add new achievements, as they did with Crash Course for l4d1. That's no doubt. There's no chance they wouldn't do it.

People also thought that there was no way they wouldn't make the original survivors playable in The Passing. And sign your posts. The Game, Joe. 05:23, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. I thought it's auto-signing. But they did add new achievements for Survival Pack, and for Crash Course, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't repeat that with The Passing. That's just logical. Urik Kane 12:58, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

True true. And sorry if I came across as bitchy. The Game, Joe. 16:35, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ok just found a link. New acheivments are confirmed.

The New Witch Skin Is True!
The New Witch skin does, in fact, exist. It can be seen two times during an OXM Interview on the Xbox Live Spotlight section. She is wearing a white dress (whether this is a wedding dress or not, I don't know) and I think I might've saw her wearing a new hairstyle. Hopefully someone can get the interview online. MatthewLepore 18:22, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: Yup, it's a wedding dress, and she [i]is[/i] wearing her hair tied up. MatthewLepore 18:34, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Can you please show this video link? Or just a link proving this? NewbieSim 19:05, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Here: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2752/witchbride.png The Game, Joe. 20:58, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

But this picture raises questions. Most importantly, where did it come from and how did the poster obtain it? Does someone out there already have a copy? The Game, Joe. 20:57, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

And finally, what if this is fake? 166.205.10.165 23:06, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

I just deleted that image and put it below in the images section. I think putting it there really broke the format in my opinion. I hope nobody minds because I know how much I hate it when I deletes my additions! Also I can say for myself this picture is in fact genuine! JokersFlame 23:52, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just highly doubt they'd change her skin just for this campaign, unless this Witch is a SET Witch made for the wedding part of the campaign. Not only that, but I don't see how anyone got to play it yet outside of the gameplay videos by Valve themselves. If someone got the campaign early, I want it too. Simple as that.Zalbaag 23:56, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Did anyone read the OP?...The video is for the Xbox 360 only!...That means wait your turn for the video!JokersFlame 02:53, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it. It's true CrazyWitchhugger 21:45, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Now they just need a Tank in a tuxedo. LazyLord777 02:53, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh god that would be awesome. With love, MrJoe. 03:25, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

RAAAAAAGE!
Sup. As you well know, a photo of the Witch in a wedding dress has been posted in The Passing article. Now ever since I saw this, I've been looking high and sober for the vid that revealed this. I've checked Youtube (nothing) Gametrailers (nothing as usual) and even Googled the vid (nothing "THANKS GOOGLE") So if anyone knows where the vid is, post the link on The Passing article.

68.195.130.114 22:10, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Appearently, it's in a video only for those who own an xbox. MrJoe. 23:21, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

heres the video, she appears at 2 mins in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG0JaHqDi6M&feature=player_embedded Ayllus 15:14, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

I can't understand that why that vid is only for those who own xbox... First of all, FPS games are made for PC, (Mouse + Keyboard <3) VALVe loves PC <3 and that is why they give us free DLCs. And i really hope that DLC is released earlier, because I still can't wait >.<! I'm whacking my head to wall to spend time faster! Go Go Go, VALVe! ŊυĐε 14:18, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

The poster above this one is an idiot

And you are coward, who is too scared to sign his post after insulting someone. ŊυĐε 12:23, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Nude, totally agree with you. And person above me, if you're going to say stuff like that, specify who you're talking about by name. Are you talking about me or nude? And why do you think that? Give an intelligent, thought out answer please. And sign your posts. With love, MrJoe. 20:03, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

The fact that they released an exclusive trailer to the Xbox doesn't mean anything. You're reading way too much into it and trying your best to start a fight between the elitists and me (you know, the only Xbox-player on the wiki :P) Another thing is, your argument isn't even factually correct. VALVe doesn't give PC free DLC's because they love you guys. They give you free DLCs because they set their DLC prices. Meanwhile, Microsoft sets DLC prices on the Marketplace. Also, completely irrelevant, but I was wondering, are there any elitists out there who are pissed off because STEAM is being released to the Mac? MatthewLepore 13:41, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

It was'nt so much of a trailer then just some gamplay footage, also Valve wants to relase DLC on the Xbox for free, but mircosoft forces them to charge for it (and least its cheep for only 580), and on the PC vs Xbox agrument, I find it really hard to aim on the PC, also i have to play with low settings or i get Low Framerates and other problems, so i'm on the Xbox side. Expect for TF2 then i'm on the PC User:Fireside

MatthewLepore, actually I said "Valve loves PC." I didn't say anything about PC players. ŊυĐε 14:13, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Music
There was a note stating that the campaign's music is played on a pipe organ. Removed music note until proof is given. Saying "I've seen it in the xbox video" does not count, as some of us don't have access to it. Once it is on the internet somewhere, I will accept it as proof. MrJoe. 00:51, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0d_unhnCWQ

Just listen for the music in the background.

Hmm I don't think so. That could just be music gametrailers put in. They've done it before. But I really hope it is pipe organ music. MrJoe. 01:29, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Some of what Chet Faliszek said in the video above: "So, in the beginning of the Passing, you play as left 4 dead 2 guys, <...> you're on your way to Dark Carnival,and you're in your Jimmy Gibbs' car, and you get stuck, <...> and then you start talking to left 4 dead 1 characters,and that gonna set you up on your mission, you'll go through a little bit, and they'll actually join you in the finale and help you complete your mission and go out in Jimmy Gibbs' car to New Orleans"Urik Kane 15:44, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Another piece "And so, we write, it's me, Erik Wolpaw and Jay ?????? kinda all sitting in a room and kind of hash out how it's gonna work out, and we just had all of the different like,what if... what if Ellis sees Zoey and falls in love with her, what if Francis and Nick go out at it... mm....So, instead of giving you like this half-hour cutscene that contains all of this,what we did was... The Passing more than any other thing that we've done in Left 4 Dead is... There's over 30 different versions of what happen in the first map, and it also carry through,so, <...> if Ellis is falling for Zoey, he'll actually talk about her through the rest of the campaign, and the final meeting in the finale will be different."Urik Kane 16:00, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

btw, the video shows us a regular Witch, haven't spotted any wedding ones.Urik Kane 16:02, March 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I never said there was a wedding Witch in that video.Whachamacallit 20:46, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG0JaHqDi6M&feature=player_embedded

I only heard it near the end. But it's pipe organ. :D MrJoe. 22:10, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

The video finally features the Golf Club, wedding dress Witch and Fallen Survivor (seen running away).Urik Kane 00:48, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Original Survivor Picture Removal.
There is currently a picture in the gallery of the beta version of the original survivors, stating that "This is how they wil appear in The Passing." It is not, as far as I know. The picture was just used in a video interview with Chet. If it is, we need proof. I tried to remover the picture, but couldn't for an unkown reason. Help? MrJoe. 01:21, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I was told by a friend that they would look like that, and I hadn't seen the picture before, so I believed him and added it here. Sorry about that. Yonobi 01:47, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Could someone please post the image here?JokersFlame 02:09, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Here it is. Yonobi 02:14, March 17, 2010 (UTC)



That ain't a small town in Georgia. Plus They would be thinner since they're isn't any food, they run alot and the fact that a WINTER coat would be stupid too have in the south no matter what the season is. CrazyWitchhugger 02:39, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, and I'm sorry if I came off mean. MrJoe. 02:40, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

MrJoe: I don't think you did, at all. I probably came off as an idiot, though. I won't add something i'm not 100% sure about again. :P Yonobi 02:53, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Thats the beta version of the survivers, I don't think they will look like they do in that picture Ayllus 03:11, March 17, 2010 (UTC)Ayllus

Totally agree with Mr.Joe. This is just a picture Gametrailers used when Chet Faliszek mentiones old Survivors.Urik Kane 05:59, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Suddendly: Fat and haired Francis, Haired and different clothed Louis, Different clothed Zoey and Bill. Seriously, you would care about clothes if there was a zombie apocalypse raging on outside? I'd just put up an gasmask, something with a hoodie and I'm ready to go.

I'm putting on 5 layers of clothes.CrazyWitchhugger 05:02, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Poster change?
There is a note that states "Unusually, the weapons that the Left 4 Dead 2 Survivors are holding are different then before in the poster. Ellis should be holding an M16 but it appears he is holding an M4A1, not found in the game, Coach has an unloaded G3 Sniper Rifle and Rochelle seems to have an AK-47 with a different stock and Nick has a Hunting Rifle with no scope." Does this mean different then the poster before? If so, can we see a side-by-side comparison? If not, does it mean that the weapons they are holding on the poster are different than in-game? Because that is not unusual. MrJoe. 02:45, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Now that it has confirmed that there will be character death, the poster might not be the final anyway Ayllus 05:29, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think thats the L4D1 DLC. Someone correct me if i'm wrong...LOLKING 11:51, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

only one wedding witch
So the wedding witch is probably only one witch since there is a wedding and there is usually one bride at a wedding so...... --Totemtrouser 04:01, March 18, 2010 (UTC)totemttrouser--Totemtrouser 04:01, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Is Bride Witch an explanation why all Witches cry? Maybe they all were Brides before, but their fiance all became Smokers, so they teared off their dress, and went away crying?Urik Kane 21:12, March 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Somehow, that sounds far-fetched. Imperialscouts 02:18, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the person above, its highly unlikely, I think its probably the same way the Jockey got mania when he became infected, the Witch probably got depression, hence the crying, either that or shes sad that her manicure is ruined Ayllus 03:16, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

I was just joking, of course.Urik Kane 13:29, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oh I see its a joke, I get jokes XD Ayllus 14:32, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

A lot of people have double weddings to cut down on costs and stuff. There could be more than one bride witch. I can't wait to really see her! I think this was a really awesome idea on Valve's part.Nightmirage 02:42, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I second that Ayllus 03:55, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Man, I still think it's depressing that she became a zombie on what is supposed to be the happiest day of her life.... but, whatever. Log Out 21:14, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Killing off one survivor?
apparently one of the survivers is going to die, I wonder who it would be, apparently Bills voice actor died so it could be Bill Ayllus 04:47, March 20, 2010 (UTC) AyllusJohnlmonkey 05:29, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Its true. Confirmed on GTTV. With love, MrJoe. 05:02, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I have got to admit its a pretty big twist Ayllus 05:06, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Also, it can't be Zoey or Francis, due to the confirmed possible interactions that can take place. And so it probably is Bill. :( With love, MrJoe. 05:07, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Aww D: I dont want any of them to die, especially not Bill, D: though I would rather Bill than Louis to go Ayllus 05:09, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Why, Valve, whyyyyy? I'm glad my Zoey is safe because I loves her. If it's Louis though, I'm becoming a hermit and going mute.Nightmirage 05:10, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I second that! Ayllus 05:13, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I need this DLC to come out NOW! And if they kill the optimist...I just...I have no words.Nightmirage 05:14, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I would probably need greif counselling for severe grief Ayllus 05:17, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I will start the grief support group if that happens. (P.S. I think we have a problem lolz)Nightmirage 05:18, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think a grief support group would be nesscecary anyway because its one of the original survivers, people are more attached to them than they are with trhe new survivers Ayllus 05:22, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Also, what does this mean for the next DLC-the one that tells the continued story of the original survivors? Will the one who dies not be playable or will they be playable up to a certain point?Nightmirage 05:28, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Bills voice actor is still allive Johnlmonkey 05:33, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Crap that means that there is a chance that they might kill off Louis! They could make the character playable up until the finale, then kill them off somehow, eg they have to die so taht the other 3 can be rescued Ayllus 05:31, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'm quite glad Jim French is still alive, but they just can't kill Louis! *hugs him*Nightmirage 05:33, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going out on a limb and guessing they might do the dead survivor (lol oxymoron) dynamically. One time it might be Bill, one time it might be Louis... They announced on GTTV that one survivor will have to sacrifice himself in the L4D1 DLC that ties into The Passing. It would make sense that, in the game, the same survivor wouldn't get stuck killing him or herself every time. I'm guessing that Valve will mix it up.

It would be a possible explanation for the different scenarios, but then the passing wouldnt be considered cannon Ayllus 05:38, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

That would REALLY mess with what was canon and what wasn't though. I feel there needs to be SOME consistency.Nightmirage 05:35, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I actually think the survivor will most likely die at the end of the campaign after everyone has boarded the rescue vehicle. Ex: Falling out of a helicopter or something at the end cuscene Johnlmonkey 05:39, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I can't help but feel somewhat responsible for the death of one of them >.> I was the one who speculated on what the original Fallen Survivor was.....so yeah >.> oh god please dont kill bill >_< Deathhacker 05:36, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I can see why they are calling the campaign the passing D: If you want me I will be in the corner crying like a witch. Ayllus 05:43, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

If Louis dies his headstone will read "Here Lies Louis (and his PEELZ)" Johnlmonkey 05:45, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kKWn_u0kMw Here is a YouTube link of Earl Alexander, Louis's voice actor, confirming he recorded lines for LEFT 4 DEAD 2, not Left 4 Dead 1. So Louis is confirmed to come back. Bill's voice actor wasn't in Crash Course, and I doubt they could get him to come back again, so he must be the one who has died.

actually im not sure if that should count as a comfirmation that hes in l4d2 especially when it seems like the whole thing is just a joke and this is from back in september. Johnlmonkey 05:55, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Bills voice actor dead? Oh man.... Then it's good that Bill will die, because it would be stupid if Bills voice in The Passing sounds more younger due the younger voice actor ect. And how would he die, ideas? The most simple way is that zombies just simply rips his limbs apart and then starts to reach the helicopter to get new survivors. But.. Oh no. Not Bill!! And good thing Zoey is alive, now they can MAKE new Bill! ŊυĐε 06:51, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Bill's VA isn't dead, that was a rumour started when no new vocal content was recorded for Bill within the Crash Course DLC. Also, can anyone provide a reference towards an article for all this speculation about a orginal survivors death? Vetis 08:10, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * They were talking about it on GameTrailers yesterday. LazyLord777 15:45, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

'''First off, Jim French did not die. He just wasn't able to record lines for Crash Course. Secondly, it was said that the survivor that dies is random and that you get to choose who dies when it happens in the L4D1 DLC. So yes, Zoey will die. And so will Bill. And so will Francis. And so will Louis. Nobody Survives Forever. '''MatthewLepore 16:13, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

apparently the comic will explain what surviver actually dies. I think the idea of a random surviver dying in the DLC is probably to save people from arguing over who has to be the one who dies, also in the Passing it will probably show which 3 survivers are there so you will know which one actually died. Thats just my opinion, though I could be totally wrong Ayllus 16:31, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I still hate everything about this conversation. That's really cruel to have to choose which survivor dies. I'd rather choose one of the new survivors, and even that would be rough.Nightmirage 16:46, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Same, I have grown attached to the survivers, including Rochelle (who everyone seems to hate), when I hgeard the news I was sad, when they said shocking I thought it was gonna be something awesome.

I too have grown attached to the Survivors (more specifically the Left 4 Dead 1 Survivors since I play as them much longer than 2). I even spend much of my time making machinimas and uploading them on Youtube only to realize that one of them is going to die. Still, I think it ain't too bad too I mean, one of them dying to save the others gave it some movie-like quality and a bit of drama too I mean, one of them has to be regarded a hero/heroine right? Kind of reminded me of what Francis said when he is being revived, "You think they're gonna call us heroes some day?". LoneWolfHBS5 17:22, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

when the surviver dies, im gonna play as that surviver for 3 hours stright while playing "dont forget about me" over the mic in their honour lol Ayllus 17:35, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

A much better idea in my opinion is shouting "Don't forget me!" while dying during the sacrificial event. That somehow made me wonder, is there going to be any lines that the sacrificing Survivor going to say before he/she dies? *sigh* Whether or not any humorous new lines are going to be added, it is still pretty sad to me. LoneWolfHBS5 17:41, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I could imagine Zoey making a movie reference and Francis saying something about hating whatever is happening lol Ayllus 17:43, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

"I hate Heaven", "I hate Hell" may be possible =P. Or maybe, as he was dying, he shouted, "I hate you Bill!". And to think, how are the remaining three Survivors going to feel during The Passing? Bill may be as per normal since, as a soldier, he would've seen many of his mates dying. Louis, Francis and Zoey's may be feeling rather down on the other hand. Maybe one of the new Survivors reminded them of the Survivor who sacrificed him/herself. LoneWolfHBS5 17:49, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

The new survivers don't seem like they are as close as the old ones are to eachother, they could learn a thing or too from the original survivers, I could aimagine arguements resulting from that Ayllus 18:21, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah perhaps arguements will spark between disagreements. Still, I somehow think that, to a certain extent, the new Survivors resembled the old Survivors in different ways. Ellis's youth and humorous jokes may remind the group of Zoey or Francis. Ellis's optimism may remind Zoey of Louis. Nick's complaining attitude may remind Bill of Francis. Nick's white suit could being Louis to their mind. Coach's big and commanding appearance might remind the group of Bill or Francis. Rochelle's feminine appearance may remind the group of Zoey. Or maybe one of the new Survivors saying they hate something remind the group of Francis. I know I had sparks of traumas when I saw someone who reminded me of someone I lost. It is not a nice experience. LoneWolfHBS5 18:30, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah or Nicks suit could remind Francis of lawyers :D Either way I guess we will have to wait until The Passing is released to find out. Ayllus 18:59, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

The Witch is Uma Thurman. And she Kills Bill. With her katana-fingers. Yeah. Yonobi 21:33, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think that the way the Survivor dies is in the ending cutscene when the rescue vehicle is sailing/driving/flying away, the last Tank picks up a chunk of cement, hurls it at the vehicle, hits it (or the Survivor), and the force knocks the Survivor out of it (because on all of them there's been a fairly large opening that seems like it'd be possible to be knocked out of). He/she hits the ground, and as the Tank grabs another slab of concrete to throw, he/she shoots the Tank in the head with their dying breath as he/she is lying there incapacitated, killing it, and saving the rest of the team.

That's saying they even have to die at all.

Actually, it's either going to be Louis or Bill because if Valve killed off Francis then I don't know how the whole "Matching tattoo-ring pattern thing" work out, and without Zoey, Ellis really can't "get a crush on her". TheDesertFox 08:17, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think that one of the survivers has to hold some lever or swich to open a path for the others and as soon as he/she releases that swich the way to the vehicle will close showing a final seane of the other 3 geting away as the survivor is making his final stand. ps. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Signing posts is pretty helpful. Also, what I said earlier about it being either Louis or Bill can be thrown out, because all four original Survivors make it into the Passing, and only three come out. Thus so, Nick and Francis, for example, could meet and "go at one another" and then Francis dies. So, yeah. TheDesertFox 02:23, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

But thats just the thing. The survivor dies BEFORE The Passing. With love, MrJoe. 02:33, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I thought that all four of them made it to the town, and one dies while there. I could be wrong, but I could've sworn reading somewhere that the one dies during the campaign. TheDesertFox 02:52, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Louis dies,look at all the original survivors pages.The passing is on each and every one of them,but it's not on Louis'.


 * Um...first of all, you were wrong until I edited it. It wasn't on Bill ' s page. Second, this is a WIKI. Please don't take it so seriously to the point you believe everything it says. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  21:33, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

If they kill the optimist or Zoey then there is no true reason to play it. --Coolartsy5 23:37, April 5, 2010 (UTC)Coolartsy5

My thoughts EXACTLY, Coolartsy5! Nightmirage 00:49, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Tagline.
The Tagline is "No one survives forever." This is refrencing the fact that one of the original survivors has died. This is also what the Campaign's title refers to. I did not edit the article yet because I can't link to the GTTV episode yet. When a link is provided, include it in the article however you wish. With love, MrJoe. 05:05, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Im in a forum right now, im just waiting for someone to post a horribly recorded vid lol Ayllus 05:11, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

MrJoe, please tell me you are kidding.... But you can make that thing funny too. Ellis starts to drive away with Jimmy Gibbs Jr.s car, everyone hears a loud *bumb*, and then, nobody knows what they hit.... And at the Dark Carnival "Why there is blood on the bumber...." ŊυĐε 06:44, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Okay... That joke is not funny.... Sorry.... ŊυĐε 07:05, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

ah well you get points for trying lol Ayllus 17:37, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Francis and Nick arguement
It could be that Nick claims that Bill died because Francis' indifference to Bill. Then Francis figths back, of course, and Coach as non-violent man stops the arguement. Sorry for bad english, if it is.... ŊυĐε 07:04, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Not a bad idea and English not too bad too =P. Maybe the arguement starts with Nick teasing Francis a bit and, maybe due to him being very sad to see a teammate dying, he took it very seriously, felt deeply insulted and started scolding Nick. Even for a guy as tough as Francis, he still has a softer side. LoneWolfHBS5 18:07, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

You know what?
I really thought they were going to give us a release date last night. Basterds. But I heard somewhere it's March 27. Of course, I have absolutely no way of confirming this, because I don't remember who I heard it from. With love, MrJoe. 22:00, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oh God, not Bill!
Oh, let's face the facts here, Bill is most likely the one survivor (Most likely the one canon shown in the Comic) to be the one that's dead in my opinon. His voice actor never seems to be available... I mean even after, they could have recorded him later and update the sound files for Crash Course like they do with TF2. I know, some will argue because Chet said that the L4D1 DLC would play differently, with players deciding who sacrifices themselves, but in the comic, most likely only ONE will die, and that would be the canon. And, in MY honest opinon. NewbieSim 23:06, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you're probably right. Too bad, Bill is easily my favorite of the originals. With love, MrJoe. 23:41, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I heard Bill's VA died... but yeah it's probably not gonna be Bill cause everyone expects him to be the one. 69.31.252.230 08:07, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bill's VA is not dead. It was a crazy rumour started due to him being unable to record Bill's new lines in Crash Course. Even if Bill is most likely the Survivor to die, it is still a speculation and as such, not confirmed. Still, I do agree that he would make a suitable hero who would risk his life for the others. LoneWolfHBS5 12:14, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

It could be Louis to sacrafice himself. Maybe for glory or to prove he is not useless.

Actually,Louis sacrificed himself.I know because on Bill,Zoey,and Francis's pages they all mention the passing.However,The Passing is never mentioned on Louis's page.


 * Again, it doesn't matter. And you were wrong. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  21:33, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty sure Coach isn't holding an AKM.
Because if he was, there's be a front sight and gas tube on it. Also, the 'hunting rifle' Nick is holding looks like some cross-breed between a Springfield '03 and a RPK w/ drum. TheDesertFox 23:31, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

the grip and stock is of the AKM/AK-47 Smish34 21:26, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

That is correct, the stock and grip look like one from an AK-74, but the front sight and gas tube (the latter of which would be essential to the operation of the weapon) are missing, which leads me to believe that it's some G3-AK-74 mix. TheDesertFox 23:36, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Soovival
I think in the L4D1 DLC, it'll be something like one player having to hold a button the whole time to open a door, and when it opens all the way, three survivors can get through, lets go of button, door closes, and the last survivor will just keep on shootin till they're down...

I hope it's Louis who dies. 'Cause, honestly, he was too much of a wussy, but definitely seems like the type who would sacrifice himself for the good of others.

If you consider 'kind-hearted' as 'wussy' then yes, Louis is a huge wussy. I, however, agree; I think Louis would be the one to sacrifice himself for all. But on the other hand, I think it'd be Bill. Something along the lines of, "I've lived a long enough life; Now it's your turn" kind of thing. MatthewLepore 16:13, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure, that few days after L4D DLC is released, someone finds a glitch/bug, that you can clear campaign with all 4 survivors. And then few days after that, it's patched. ŊυĐε 12:50, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

How on earth is Louis a "wussy"? He's the sweetheart of the group, but that in no way makes him a coward. And I will exploit that glitch hardcore!Nightmirage 16:27, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Wussies would have not surrvived two weeks in a zombie apocalypse. And I would never update the system again if such aglitch existed. On another note, I can see Louis sacrificing himself. He's that type of person. Imperialscouts 19:23, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Louis? A wussy? Impossible! Wussies dont quote Duke Nukem! Besides, the pills fad would make the new "what happens when louis gets his pills" into "what happens when a ghost gets his pills". See what I mean?--Prof. 18:10, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Might be Louis or it will probably be Bill. It definately can't be Zoey (I instantly think about Nick's comments when Rochelle dies). Then again, it could be Francis, just to shock the crap out of us. Likely last words: "You know what I don't hate? I don't hate you guys. Now go!!!" followed by Francis's wussy scream. I hope it isn't Francis, but all male survivors are fair game.Bobzmoose 03:02, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's like if Zoey dies, Ellis won't have crush on her, game continues normally. Francis dies, no arguement with Nick, game continues normally. If Bill or Louis dies, Ellis will have crush on Zoey, Francis and Nick Starts a bar fight, game continues normally. ŊυĐε 07:40, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Zoey won't die because if she did then the game would lose its entire fanbase, pretty much. It doesn't seem to be in Louis' personality, so I doubt it's him. Bill is old and heroic and might do it, and Francis might make a last move towards redemption and do it, although he doesn't seem like the kind of guy with many morals I could definitely see it happening. Also, how is this going to work with 3 bots on your team? Bots don't do any scripted events and if you do it then you can't continue. Log Out 22:51, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Passing Intro
Finally found it. Can't wait. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivR90oKyHbE&feature=related 99.61.134.166 03:33, March 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's nothing special, don't get your hopes up. LazyLord777 15:34, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I just watched it and it said a prediction of what it will be. Man no one ever reads the description but me lolJunedude433 04:05, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Its pretty obvious that it was a Gary's Mod from teh start lol Ayllus 04:11, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think that guy up top made the video, there's no way anyone could mistake that video with an actual scene.LazyLord777 15:34, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

It was a joke, guys. 99.61.134.166 16:13, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

It's pretty obvious it was a Garry's Mod video of how poorly it was made plus The Passing takes place in night time, and don't joke on Discussion. Sinic20 22:01, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Source?
"All four of the original survivors from Left 4 Dead (Bill, Francis, Zoey, and Louis) will make their entrance at the start of the Passing, joining Left 4 Dead 2's survivors Ellis, Coach, Nick, and Rochelle; however, one of the original survivors will not be part of the group, picked randomly by the AI Director."

I'm assuming this is delusion until someone gets some kind of source for this.

It is delusional. One of the original 4 dies BEFORE the events of The Passing. I assume it will consistently be that Survivor who is missing from the group.Nightmirage 22:02, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the dead original survivor in the Passing is random everytime you play it... though now that I think about it... it probably ain't. [[User:Regulust|Regulust 06:11, March 22, 2010 (UTC)]]

Nick is holding a hunting rifle?
Hi there, I'm here to discuss one thing: I think that Nick is not holding a hunting rifle. If you zoom in, you can see the place where you can grab it that theres the button which makes the gun fire. (I never remember both names) The hunting rifle doesn't have it. According to what I know it looks like a FAL (Fusil Automatique Leger) If you want I can post a pic of it, but you can search it in google. Goodbye. -- LaZa  21:02, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Release Date
It's coming out late March. March is almost over. These fuckers better hurry up with whatever they are doing and release this already!!

You know what... I said almost exactly same thing to my friend today... :| I'm scared.... Help me... Don't be rude and sign your posts! ŊυĐε 16:27, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Holy Sh*&% ... It's the 26th already.. No DLC yet.. l4d's official web page says that it's coming out this Spring. It doesn't say late March anymore. >:-/ I'm so pissed right now. Perhaps they changed it cause they've not finished it, or they realized that it has errors, glitches, gaps, or perhaps they're just adding new stuff. It could be that they decided to do it after Modern Warfare 2's New downloadable Map Pack, which is coming out March 30, confirmed. Hell! I don't know.

thinking about it, when crash course came out, hadn't they revealed the chapter names and given a bit more info before they actually released it? Glitch12

Well I didn't know about that! It must be true.. I have Crash Course but as You know it didn't have the anticipation The Passing has. Maybe they're trying to keep some stuff as a surprise for us. I don't really mind not having much information about the new campaign and game modes. But I do mind that they changed the release date!!! Valve has to confirm a date, otherwise we can't rely on date rumors. I cannot wait for it! damn it!! I really hope it's worth the delay

Btw, i think we either need to lock the whole passing page or at least where the release date is as people keep changing it which is causing some massive confusion in the wikiquestions and just in general.

I don't understand why everyone is complaining about the release date being set back a bit. I mean yeah, I don't want to wait forever on it, but I'd rather get a nicely polished DLC a little later than was planned than get it at the announced time and have it not be at its best. *shrugs* Just saying, if they need the time to finish it up, who are we to yell at them for trying to make it worth getting? It still says spring, which is still relatively soon, and considering they didn't have to give us a DLC with the original Survivors... but that's just my opinion. Wave Maker 00:12, April 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know that if they did release it now people would complain about all the bugs and how they shouldn't have released an unfinished game. So people need to realize they have a choice to make: Have a game released on time with bugs or have it released later than planned but with a lot less bugs. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  00:35, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

OH PLEASE GOD NO!!!
I have heard from a very reliable source (please note: this does not guarentee it is true) That there is 2 new infected skins. One new witch bride skin & also...

A NEW SKIN OF A SURVIVOR ZOMBIE! Not a fallen survivor but whoever the dead survivor is, is thought to be a new infected skin. The AI director will choose a tank, hunter, smoker or boomer (not the new infected) to have a special skin, to look like an infected version of the dead survivor. This makes me cry :(

Grand theft automobile 06:28, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds cool. Post source.


 * Even if the 'Survivor Zombie' does turn out to be true, I don't see what the problem with that is... they were always in danger of the virus mutating. Fadm tyler 16:42, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

so you could see a zombie version of bill, or louis (mainly because the francisvsnick and ellis/zoey thing) i hopethey dont. it will be like when ving rheyms has to shoot andy in dawn ofthe deadSmish34 18:21, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't go through all the work of saving the original four survivors from zombies just to end up being the one who has to kill them, I'm not in favor of the "survivor zombie" LazyLord777 18:58, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Not fact. Probably delusion.

@ Lazy Lord...If I could give you a +rep right now I would.JokersFlame 19:13, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Whether this may be true or not, we should at least mention it in the notes section until it is confirmed. You never know, it may turn out to be true and you guys will have deleted it for no reason. Leave it up

The article is only for confirmed facts. Nothing unconfirmed, no speculation. With love, MrJoe. 22:37, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I doubt it, though I wouldnt really be suprised if Bill went and came back as a smoker lol Ayllus 22:57, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone else noticed that the smokers top clothes are the same colors as bill just a little fadedJunedude433 01:06, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Come to think of it, they do look similar. And they both smoke, but the Left 4 Dead 2 model for the smoker looks nothing like Bill anymore.206.75.2.99 13:20, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

2 Days, Gentlemen.
We are in the final stretch. Thank you all for your hard work. Godspeed. --99.61.134.166 05:04, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

And where did you get this info? Because I would love for the release date to be in 2 days!Nightmirage 05:12, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I also heard about 3.25th multiple times (none from reliable source though).

And if I click Left 4 Dead 2 > Properties > DLC i see "Left 4 Dead 2 Preorder DLC Steam Store".

It wasn't there before... So it must be on its way to go.Urik Kane 11:38, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hell yea! and I didn't know the Spy posted comments on Left 4 Dead Wiki

Its already march 25 here in Austyralia, its hard working out what the current American time is lol. Lol its a spy. Ayllus 14:19, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else here looking forward to the antics of various people playing this DLC? *cough*Kilplixism*cough* --Prof. 18:14, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Is this release date really legit? I know it's on the Xbox calendar, but that's only Microsoft. Has Valve said anything? Because I read their sale blog post like 46,000 times looking for a release date.Nightmirage 18:17, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ladies and Gentlemen, this better not be a dissapointment... Else I'm going to gut Valve like a cornish game hen, shall we wait? -- LaZa  20:38, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Lets not do that ok. And as serious as this champaign is... That kid Criken is going to make it funny with a walkthrough and/or a fails video. Just an assuption sice I never played with the guy. Darkashura 00:15, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Criken makes walkthrough campaigns? I thought he only made fails or funny L4D2 vids. -- LaZa  00:48, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well he makes Leeroy Jenkins speed runs on expert. That counts for sometype of walkthrough since it is going through the whole campaign just not showing any real walkthrough just running and trying to beat the level but he does so yeah. Attila however will do a walkthrough no problem. Darkashura 01:45, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well criken didn't make one for left 4 dead 2 sooooooShadowkiller14 00:03, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

So if this really is coming out on March 26th will it be available to download at midnight? 'Cause I would totally not do that or anything...=)Nightmirage 02:59, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

26? 26!! OMG I gotta go to my xbox right NOW!!! bye wikireader 7:35, March 26, 2010

Holy Sh*&% ... It's the 26th already.. No DLC yet.. l4d's official web page says that it's coming out this Spring. It doesn't say late March anymore. >:-/ I'm so pissed right now. Perhaps they changed it cause they've not finished it, or they realized that it has errors, glitches, gaps, or perhaps they're just adding new stuff. It could be that they decided to do it after Modern Warfare 2's New downloadable Map Pack, which is coming out March 30, confirmed. Hell! I don't know.

It will be free for PC, and about 560MS Points on the Xbox 360 is not what the source says.
The source used said it will PROBABLY be like Crash Course...Not that it WILL be like Crash Course...and with all these new Game Modes who knows if Valve will charge? So I think we should take that bit down...After all I think this page should only be facts until it is released.JokersFlame 02:29, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

yeah but he saidit will be similar to crash course. but i thought they would have released a price by now because its a day untill its released and its kinda close to the xbox MW2 DLC date so itsprobobly going to be compitition 92.0.151.63 20:42, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if they don't charge PC but charge for the 360 one, it'll be because microsoft forces them to (hence why theres been no big things for the orange box on the 360). Honestly, i hope they don't make Valve charge too much on the 360 version or there will likely be a lot of complainers. Glitch12 16:07, March 25, 2010

What sucks about complainers is that they would probably complain to VALVe instead of Microsoft. Imperialscouts 22:20, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I changed it to say Most likely it will be free on the PC not that it WILL be free for the PC. I would love if Valve didnt charge for the 360 somehow...Microsoft gives them this one yaknow?...Like they did the Blinding Lighthouse DLC. I would forgive them for the no TF2 DLC's.JokersFlame 01:00, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, what about the Riders?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in dark Carnival, Nick seems to have never heard of the Midnight Riders. But the Riders are obviously very prevelant in The Passing, what with the fans and bus and all. What? With love, MrJoe. 03:18, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Passing is not scheduled to be released March 26. Chet said so on the Steam forums.


 * Mr Joe has a VERY good point there. All I could suggest is that The L4D1 Survivors drive the bus and nick must not pay attention. OR the DLC may include a patch for Dark Carnival, affecting the dialogue.LOLKING 11:47, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense, LOLKING. Would be stupid like this: at The Passing "Wow, Midnight Riders! That bus looks so god damn cool" At the Dark Carnival: "Never heard of 'em, who are they? Some group of hippies?" ŊυĐε 15:48, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm in a town infested with zombies and am fighting for my life. Let me take time out to read every single zombie's shirt and that bus that drove by for a split-second! MatthewLepore 19:56, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, they seem to notice everything else. A whispering Oaks bilboard, A Jimmy Gibbs poster, The working Oaks attractions (Whack-a-Peanut, and such) all uncommons standing out to commons, and all finale radios. LOLKING 01:33, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

But they notice all those things during more quiet sections of the campaign. They notice the Whispering Oaks billboard and Jimmy Gibbs posters in safe rooms/areas. The Whispering Oak attractions are big and too obvious to miss, and the uncommon stand out amongst the common (if you put a clown next to a normal person, who do you notice first?) MatthewLepore 17:35, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

But due to the sheer amount of Riders Material in The Passing, it would be hard to miss. And if it's quiet after a hiorde, the bodies of decapitated zombies could be wearing Midnight Riders t-shirts. With love, MrJoe. 21:06, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Rochelle's been wearing her Depeche Mode shirt for the entire game and none of the other survivors have yet to notice.

Maybe they dont want to look rude looking at her breasts...Also they could of mentioned it between campaigns or just not cared. Example: I see someone wearing a, i dunno, a Sum 41 shirt. I might not know them so i wouldnt point it out cus i probably wouldnt care. But if i saw it again somewhere else, i wouldnt go "never heard of them"--LOLKING 03:18, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. So even if Nick noticed the logo, he wouldn't have cared, which is why he doesn't recognize the name of the band.

But if he noticed the logo, not caring, hed still recognize the logo again, not go who are these guys79.67.69.10 21:37, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Why 'The Passing' Has Not Been Released Today
There is a simple reason behind why The Passing isn't out. It's because it wasn't scheduled to be today. The information gotten from the Xbox Live Calendar was misinterpreted. The listing for L4D2 on March 26th is a community playdate. The calendar suggests what you should play today to get the most out of your experiences. It isn't a source for game releases or DLC. This is why we need an official Xbox 360 Referencer. MatthewLepore 20:14, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Mathew, Amen! I don't know who was the dumbass that didn't realize that today was just a playdate for Left 4 Dead. Why Valve hasn't said anything about it yet?? I mean, if it's gonna be delayed, at least the should announce it! I don't think it's gonna come out on March anymore. The official L4D web page says that it's coming out this Spring, where it previously said that it was coming out late March. Death 4 You 16:35, March 26, 2010

BTW, Where can check out the Steam forums??

I think you might want to rephrase that Death, as I'm pretty sure it was an admin who posted the 26th as the release date :P Meanwhile, I think the fact it was changed to Spring is to alleviate any complaints they may get it they don't hit the deadline of March. MatthewLepore 00:00, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Preview of new game modes on Youtube?
An unregistered contributor said that previews of the new game modes were on youtube but he didn't include any links so it was deleted, I'm assuming he was just BSing it but, just to be safe, is there a new video on youtube previewing the game modes? Log Out 05:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't find them. I think that guy was bullshitting. Sorry bro Steam is alright, I guess. 21:04, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Stop changing it to March!
The official release date for the Passing is now Spring, not late March. Yes, it can come out this March, but now the only real date we have is Spring. When you look at The Passing's history page, all you see is someone changing it to Spring, someone changing it to March, then someone changing it to Spring again. And It's not stopping. I'm getting really annoyed. I think the page should be locked so that only Admins can edit it, since a lot of people have been posting false information/speculation on it. ZF911 15:48, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, other are changing it to "whenever the fuck it's done" or "never lololol" I think that if you lock it the vandals will start hitting other pages. -- LaZa  16:20, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Its coming out in SPRING. March is in Spring. Chubbyhug 16:23, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * @LaZa: Well Vandals are always about so it's not like it's that big of a deal.

Would you guys really like me to protect the page so no one but admins can edit it for the time being? Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:00, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

I approve of that Jo. LoneWolfHBS5 17:16, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think that's a wonderful idea. With love, MrJoe. 17:31, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think that's a fantastic idea. At least until we actually have a release date.Nightmirage 19:21, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

That would be nice.  LaZa  19:24, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

I know March is in Spring, but knowing Valve, I don't think March is that big of a possibility anymore. ZF911 19:29, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

I like that only admins can now edit but I still say that it should say that it will probably be free for the PC...Not that it WILL be free...Just saying you never know and there is still no offical word.JokersFlame 23:27, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

It has been confirmed to be free on PC. ZF911 14:36, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Where at?...Please show a source from Valve where they say it WILL be free?JokersFlame 17:38, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Valve DLC has ALWAYS been free for the PC. On PC, all you need to pay for is the game itself. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:50, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but it is wrong just to ASSUME that it will be this time. Valve has made no statement on the fact and if we ARE a Wiki based off facts then we shouldnt claim something that we dont know is true or not. That is all Im saying. Just add the word probably infront of will be free until we know for sure.JokersFlame 20:47, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think it'd be far-fetched to say you would have to pay for DLC. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  21:18, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

But once again we dont know that for a fact and we shouldnt claim that it is until we know it is. Its not like I want it to be priced but I am realistic. All im saying is use facts for this page instead of jumping to a conclusion at this point.JokersFlame 21:47, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

price and date sort of confirmed
well i was watching the xbox live sentuamaessage (all one word) and the firstmessagewasabout the passing. 'when isit released and howmuch.) they said they had confirmation from valve that it wont be untill next month forboth PC and Xbox 360 and they also said it WILL cost 560ms once its done.Smish34 22:43, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Meh, I can wait.Ldude893 01:35, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

well maybe they will release it in time for half life 2 episode 3 and the team fortress 2 xbox updates. haSmish34 01:57, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

that video isn't even on the Xbox Live dashbord, or website

It is/was on the dashboad, i saw it too.

Anybody Else Notice this?
There is a Fallen Survivor in this image:  Pikmin  1254 

That's bizarre! I never noticed that. Maybe he hasn't seen Nick yet so he hasn't run away? The Survivors are clearly just opening the safe room door at that point. Kudos for spotting that!Nightmirage 04:31, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I have an idea, if you look at the other infected around Nick, they seem unaware of his presence, therefore not attack him (Or in the Fallen Survivor case, not running away)... although I found something a bit odd in the picture.... look at the wall lamp on the right wall... is that a big raindrop or electricity? UPDATE*: Whoops, forgot to sign hehe NewbieSim 04:35, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else notice something that shouldnt be there? The light from Nick's flashlight is visible on the zombies. If you go into the game, the only person who see light from a flashlight, is the one shining it. Possible change? 72.23.124.35 05:03, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually in higher graphics, you can see the light of others' lights. I'm fairly sure you can anyhow. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  05:12, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

It's like asking why there are more than 30 zombies when that's the default limit the Director uses for wandering zombies.  LaZa  06:43, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha~ Cause it makes for an awesome looking screenshot that says "Hey, you know you wanna play this map. Yeah, you like that don't you, nerd?" :D Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  07:35, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. It does. :P  LaZa  17:48, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Game Mode
I got great idea for new game mode. (At least I liked it) But I don't think they will never make this kind of game, because this will take hours to play completely. You start from Dead Center, you will play the game like normal game, but if someone dies, only way to rescue him/her is defibilator. You can't get him/her back at safe room. When you clear the campaign, next one (The Passing) starts. If someone died at Dead Center and you didn't defib him/her, you will never get him/her back. And if last player(s) die e.g at Hard Rain, that's the game, it's over! Goal is to clear The Parish. Then there would be lots of achievements for this game mode. Give your ideas. And better than mine, if you didnt like this. ŊυĐε 07:54, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

so its like all four 5/6 campaings in one huge long one sort of a speed run without the speedSmish34 11:57, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

If that happened, I don't think it'd be very popular, because once you die and they move on to the next chapter without defibbing you, you don't get another chance to continue.... and it actually sounds a bit like Realism mode, just with the campaigns connected. NewbieSim 00:19, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I had a better game mode. You know how you have some people playing 'Hunter games' like who can pounce the Survivor's first at that stuff. Well have an actual game mode like that where every one is a Hunter. CrazyWitchhugger 00:30, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking, maybe a game mode could be that the survivors are separated (two survivors and the other two) and the point of this mode is to go through a maze like map to finally meet up with each other.... well... it was an idea, not necessarily a good one, but an idea nonetheless NewbieSim 03:38, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

What about a mode where everyone are witches, kind of like capture the crown or something, but you all have to belt eachother up over or for a bag of sugar, I would find that quite amusing. stupid idea but meh

I like the idea of linked campaigns, and you could turn Realism on and off to make it like the original idea, but a normal version with closets and saferoom spawning should be available too. Maybe up the difficulty, or only include 2 first aid kits in safe rooms or something to make it stand out more. Log Out 22:37, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I still really want to know what the guy up top meant when he said "depache mode t-shirt -new game mode?" With love, MrJoe. 23:01, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

its refering to the shirt Ro is wearing, I think its a band Ayllus 04:22, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

*Headdesk* People, people. It's DEPECHE Mode. Not "Depache" Mode. That's like saying "Lepht fer ded" instead of Left 4 Dead. Come now, we're all better than that. And yes, it is a band...it's been stated at the top of Rochelle's page since before Left 4 Dead 2 was released. It's a very good band too, one of the reasons Rochelle is my favorite character in Left 4 Dead 2. Jo the Marten (Shriek)  ಠ_ಠ  05:32, March 30, 2010 (UTC) Another idea is Expert Versus. Then this was my friends idea: It's little bit like Survival, but the Survivors can make barricades to prevent zombies coming, and when they survive long enough, they will get saved. Like, 2 make barricades and other 2 cover them. There would be like 60 zombies or more in one horde, hordes spawn faster, and more Tanks will spawn, so it would be pretty hardcore. Umm.. What else... Normal campaign but one incap and you are dead, maybe? Or maybe valve will now make possible to roam the city without linear path. Then, new survivors go one path, old survivors go other path, and when e.g. new survivors get to safe room or something, they need to survive until other team (old survivors) come. You need both teams to clear the chapter. Umm... no more ideas anymore.... I want to play The Passing D': ŊυĐε 17:43, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Here's a ideal for a new game mode a killing contest. they would be competing to see who could kill the most common infected before they all died. the survivors would be imune to friendly fire so the only thing they would die from is a zombie. as time went on the difficulty would increase makeing it harder to survive. the four survivers would start out with only a pistol, and would have to find weapons and other iteam such as pills to help them survive longer and get more kills. when everyone was dead the one with the most kills would win. personaly it sounds like alot of fun,what do you think of it? dynamicgrimking march 30, 2010

That sounds pretty fun. I'd be up for a killing contest. Being immune to friendly fire is good too, because some people would try to sabotage their teammates by killing them, and some people are just bad with friendly fire and would always shoot their teammates by accident. XD Jibun-hime 21:43, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Innacurate poster
Just noticed all the L4D1 survivors are on the poster, but one dies before the campaign?--79.67.27.231 14:51, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

yeah valve released this poster as a prototype because its 4 old survivors, no tagline and coach's arms and head look a little bit wierd.its definatly an official valve poster and not a fan made, but it was released before they stated one will die, so maybe that plot line was thought of after the poster

^This. They'll likely fix some things up before the final, including adding the new tagline. Though I still think the 4 survivors will remain; while the comic coming out will choose which survivor dies in canon, in the L4D1 DLC the players choose who dies/sacrifices themselves/etc. So sticking with that open-choiced gameplay, I could see Valve making which original survivors appear randomly chosen. OR, and I cannot cite this (don't remember where it was), but I think it has been said (maybe inaccurately?) that all 4 original survivors appear in the first chapter, but only some are present in the end. Everyone assumes there will be 3 total in The Passing, because the L4D1 DLC is supposed to be events leading up to those of The Passing. But nothing says it can't include events leading up to and through those of The Passing. We don't know enough about the L4D1 dlc to know for sure. Sorry for the long winded response.NatedogXVI 16:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)N.R.

Chapter names
So what do you guys think would be the names for the passing chapters?

Heres what I think;

Chapter 1: The Meetup

Chapter 2: Separation

Chapter 3: Final Run

I had a dream about it last night so I was thinking "why not put it here" so you all can comment and give ideas, but really this is just to pass some time before the release if it's in this month.Darkashura 23:22, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Kindda hard to guess without more info, but mayby

Chapter 1: The Wedding (if the wedding infected/witch are in this one)

Chapter 2: The maze (if the sewer gauntlet is most of the level)

Chapter 3: The parting

Glitch12 23:52, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, think about it, MOST of the chapter names for campaigns deal with places (The Town, The Hospital, The Hotel, etc.), not events or doings.

Here's my idea:

Chapter 1: The Plaza (Wedding chapter)

Chapter 2: The Gallery (The shops -Tattoo, Pool Hall, etc. and the sewer crescendo)

Chapter 3: The Ramp Finale (No videos on what the Finale would be, but assuming they end up on The Highway, this is my lucky guess)

For Chapter 2, don't say something like "Wait, where's the Sewer Gauntlet?" Well, look at other L4D(2) campaigns... in The Highway, you only stay on said highway for a short while, before moving down to the motel and gorge.... I think most of the chapter names deals with the first place you step out to at the start of the saferoom.

But yea.... that's all I've got :D NewbieSim 00:55, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty good Ideas about it but remember this is just to pass the time before the release so just say what you all think. Darkashura 00:58, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

C1: Suburbs

C2:Sewers (left 4 dead 2)

C3:The Passing

Smish34 14:59, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

1: Passing By

2: Past Due

3: The Final Passing LazyLord777 19:31, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

1. The Trainyard

2. Mainstreet

3. Wedding Finale

Log Out 00:36, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay.... now I'm suspicious... where did you find that link Log Out? Doesn't seem that official if its coming from imageshack NewbieSim 05:52, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

My guess is the same as Log Out's, except instad of "Mainstreet", it would be "The Underground".--?!?!?~PileOPapers 06:28, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I got the image from Ellis' page, but it has been removed and of course I am still skeptic, but all things are possible. Log Out 00:37, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ellis and Bill... related?
On Ellis' page, somebody posted this image and it says Bill has a son named Ellis and Ellis has a father named Bill. Nick says it's just a coincidence, however. So this raises some questions. The age difference is pretty large, Bill would have been fairly old by the time he had Ellis for this to make sense, but giving his military experience it's definitely possible to have to wait until his discharge before having a child, or something. On the other hand, Ellis and Zoey are roughly the same age and Bill thinks of her as a granddaughter. Next we have Nick, he says it's a coincidence but the way he says it looks like it is implied to be truth. The script page could be fake, however, but worth mentioning. Log Out 00:28, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

If this is real, it means Bill either is not the one to die, or the Director randomizes it everytime. Either way i'm happy. With love, MrJoe. 00:49, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I'm calling it fake. I've seen the scripts used when making Half-Life and they're vastly different. Though I know Half-Life and Left 4 Dead are different, it still doesn't look Valve-ficial. Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  02:16, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, they have no evidence that it is from Valve, I removed it from Ellis article, due to lack of evidence Ayllus 02:53, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Still, it WOULD be interesting if this were true.--?!?!?~PileOPapers 03:37, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Well, no evidence that it's Valve's.  LaZa  21:29, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be mad if it were real, Because I don't want Louis or Zoey to die.Dalekdude101 22:38, March 31, 2010 (UTC)Dalekdude101

Oh, and note for Bill and Ellis Related, I've read somewhere that bill is about 50 something, and Ellis is like 21/23, then thered be a 30 yr age gap, meaning Bill might have fathered Ellis when he was 20 something. Plus, On Ellis' Official Desc,

"dropping by for Sunday dinners with Mom". No mention of His Dad. Tis a possibility.

I think it would be pretty cool if they were related.Emily Woods 22:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

The person who made the image admitted it as a fake. ZF911 02:55, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thank God, coincidences like that don't belong in Valve games. Log Out 21:38, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Who gets killed off?
Who you think gets killed off in the comic? I think Louis might because Bill is sorta like the Leader, Francis is the comic relief (with his "I hate" statements) and Zoey is the only girl. What do you guys think? Steam is alright, I guess. 23:07, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Don't know, but if they kill Bill, If only they DARE to touch Bill... Consequences are uncertain. (In other words, I'll go mad)  LaZa  23:47, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I agree (Emily Woods 01:45, April 1, 2010 (UTC))

Heres some dialogue I made up:

Bill: Someones gonna have to sacrifice themselves to restart the generator!!

Louis: The guys at the office used to laugh at me when I said "Ill sacrifice myself for my friends!"

Francis: I hate sacrifices.

Zoey: So... Not it!

Dalekdude101 18:27, April 1, 2010 (UTC)Dalekman101

We wont know this until the DLC/Comic comes out, at least read the article before asking questions.79.67.69.10 21:31, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

He was asking who you THINK will die, not who WILL die, don't be an idiot. My money goes to Louis or Bill, incidentally my favorite two survivors. Tis a shame.

Well I believe it'll be randomized death in the actual game, but in the comic that's shortly coming out, one of the survivors will have to die permanently. So I'm guessing Louis. Steam is alright, I guess. 12:28, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Even though he's my favorite, my money's on Bill. He'd probably feel that the others have far greater chances at living than he does, not to mention most of his life has already past while the others are all still relatively young. Besides, I can see some dramtic scene where he relates it to his war days and says that he's trained his new team well but it's time for them to lead themselves or something. Francis would be my second guess, believe it or not, since, as I believe someone said on a higher placed subject, it could stand as a sort of redemption thing for him. In my opinion, Louis and Zoey probably won't be the canon sacrificers. I don't specifically know why, just got a feeling that they'd be the least likely to be picked by the writers. Wave Maker 00:36, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

April fools
Maybe the original survivor death was an early april fools joke. I perticulary hope so.

Let me be as light as possible: I think even the thought of it being an April Fools joke is almost as stupid as the Chair Zombie. MatthewLepore 21:54, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

If it was an April Fools joke, they would have stated TODAY that an original survivor would die, not 2 weeks before April 1st.... NewbieSim 22:02, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm beginning to think that "The Passing" was an early April Fool's Day joke. LazyLord777 20:19, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Randomized dead person?
I watched a video on the Xbox360 today about the Passing. I saw all for of the Survivors in it. So, I bet that the dead Survivor will be random, I.E sometimes Bill, Francis, and Zoey will appear, somtimes Louis, Zoey, and Bill will appear, etc. Sure hope so, as then we can all imagine Bill survives until the comic comes out.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 00:31, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Um...source please? Can you prove this video is real, or can other people please verify it? It's just that people like to post made-up bullshit constantly on here, without any evidence. That being said, would love to see that the dead Survivor is chosen at random. I've been claiming this to be most likely from the begining, given that we as players choose who sacrifices themselves in the upcoming L4D dlc, all 4 original Survivors are present in the poster, and that there would be no need for the tie-in comic if the DLC preempted it in showing a specific survivor always dead.NatedogXVI 02:25, April 2, 2010 (UTC)N.R.

Now that's just retarded, Supermutantslayer. They said Nick and Francis will have unique interactions, and Ellis might develop a crush on Zoey through one of the possible dialogues. So we (I) know what you say isn't gonna happen. Either Bill or Louis are going to sacrifice themselves for the team. Jackass2009 02:33, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, they've said those are some POSSIBLE interactions. Not that they will always happen. Which implies that anything is possible, including any survivor dying. It's a lot more likely than you seem to think, that the lost Survivor in-game will be randomized. Once again, why create a comic showcasing a single "canon" survivor death, which will come out between DLC's, if you've already revealed a specific survivor in the DLC? That would just be asinine. Either way we'll see when it comes out, buy I don't understand why so many people want to misinterpret the interaction statements to mean those survivors HAVE to be there.NatedogXVI 02:39, April 2, 2010 (UTC)N.R.

I believe Supermutantslayer. I said on some post, that If Zoey dies, Ellis wont have crush on her and game continues normally.. If Francis dies, no figth between Nick and Francis and game continues normally. If Bill or Louis dies, Ellis will have crush on Zoey and/or Nick will figth with Francis. ŊυĐε 07:14, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, It may be randomized, but that would cost more time to develop the DLC, so I don't know, this is like if the Pyro's a man or a woman, we'll see when the time shows it.  LaZa  07:48, April 2, 2010 (UTC) I don't think it would take that much really. You just record the possible lines for all the characters, then program the director to choose 3 survivors. It already does randomization of routes in-game, so it's not a big stretch. Randomization of audio lines is also present in-game, along with context-appropriate audio. Really, there's nothing stopping this from being a possibility. Sorry if I repeated myself, I'm typing this from my phone and it's a bit disorienting. 130.101.168.2 13:55, April 2, 2010 (UTC)N.R.I

I think that this whole "who dies in The Passing" thing is just stupid. I believe that survivor who dies will be chosen randomly. If not, that's too bad. I dont really care about that, it doesn't matter who dies. Someone thinks that Bill dies: "No, Bill can't die. He's the leader. Louis will die" "No, it can't be him, because because because" and that goes on and on and on. If everyone is somehow special and can't be dead, it will be chosen randomly. I just want to play this campaign, and so does everyone! (I think) ŊυĐε 14:22, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you're right, If it's decided by the survivors to choose who's going to get killed Valve may record files for every ending. But who'll appear in The Passing dead? Because unless you use the Mass Effect save thingy it would be chosen by Valve who's dead (AKA: Scripted, It can only happen to that survivor), and in the other campaign the players will choose?  LaZa  14:27, April 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that the futur L4D DLC would take place BEFORE one of the characters died. Unless I misheard the video, I believe that the character dies in the L4D DLC. And I also believe that in the DLC the perso who dies is given to the choice of the player.Whachamacallit 23:20, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ladies. Gentlemen. This is a zombie apocalypse. Nobody, I repeat, nobody, is safe in a zombie apocalypse. Very few of the main characters are left at the end of Dawn of the Dead. Just 3 survive 28 Days Later (and its sequel, 28 Weeks Later). Not a single soul of the main cast survives the original Night of the Living Dead. No one is special. "Oh oh, Bill's a leader he can't die!" The fact that Bill leads the group is why I think he is the most likely candidate to buy the farm. And it's also been said, time and time again, that it'll be randomized. Randomized. You decide who dies in the L4D1 DLC, and then the Director randomly picks one survivor to be dead in the Passing. No save files. No scripts. Just Director. MatthewLepore 15:54, April 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * There we go! Now that's what I was talking about! Thanks for spelling it out to everyone.Whachamacallit 21:44, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it will be a mess if you decide in L4D and he decides in L4D2. I imagine this: Francis in L4D campaign: I'll stay and I'll save you by sacrificing myself even though I hate sacrifices! Francis in L4D2 campaign: Why the hell I'm alive? And where's Louis? Bill: Don't you remember that he sacrificed himself? Francis: WUT. notfunny.txt  LaZa 22:23, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well that's how Valve said it will go. I can get the video where Valve said it'll be like that, if you want. Plus, Survivors always end up coming back in a closet/saferoom. A death randomizer is not that strange.Whachamacallit 23:03, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

is the comic before the passing, if so it might happen thereSmish34 11:34, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

The L4D survivor dies BEFORE The Passing. There's no way in hell that there will be randomly picked Survivors. Sorry to break your respective bubbles.

Uh, pretty sure it was already confirmed that the death would be random. In fact, I thought it was common knowledge. Log Out 00:19, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's good to see that most people agree with me. I looked everywhere on the internet for the video, but never found it, and I don't have a good enough camera or whatever; if I recorded it, you wouldn't be able to make out anything other than a white blur. I tried.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 23:39, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Too many people would be furious if their favorite char. died permanatly. I would be very upset if Bill died. I kinda' hope louis dies(not to be racist he just never stood out to me), but i know others don't feel that way. That's why i think it would(should) be random. NomNom 01:18, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

DUDE
What would happen if only one survivor survived the Finale on the L4D DLC? Would it just be a "game over" immediately, since you need to sacrifice one?

I'm sure the sacrifice would be at the beginning. Like to open the safe room exit or something.98.127.152.217 17:58, April 4, 2010 (UTC)Anon.

Wow. I never thought of that. I don't think it would be at the beginning, because if you were playing on online co-op, the person who sacrificed themselves would have to watch everyone else finish the campaign without them. Odd. --?!?!?~PileOPapers 20:27, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

I thought about that too, and figured the only way it would work is if the finale starts with someone sacrificing themself. LazyLord777 23:53, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue closets and defibs would have to be used otherwise you'd doom yourself by starting the thing that kills you with nobody else alive. Log Out 00:22, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

If there's one person left, then obviously you won't have to sacrifice anyone. ;) MatthewLepore 14:11, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you'll start in the final saferoom with one survivior gone, and the others commenting on how brave he/she was. And you'll need the comic book to see what happened. It's a dumb idea, and I hope that doesn't happen, but they might just to keep the game from, I don't know, glitching because there's one survivor left or something. ZF911 15:59, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I thought the comic was showing what happened after Blood Harvest and how they got to the South? Then the game DLC would come in and show what happened after that. NomNom 21:07, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

No, you have them mixed up. The DLC explains the travel to the South, and the comic shows who really died and what happens after the L4D Survivors leave the L4D2 survivors.Whachamacallit 01:44, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Oh! thanks for clearing that up. it makes a lot more sense now! NomNom 02:52, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

It makes me a little sad because the way they ended L4D I was able to at least think they were alive and now i have a strong feeling they will all be killed off lol. I hate it when characters that have come to love die.I Call Zombie Bull Sh*t 02:14, April 6, 2010 (UTC) BuddyCroft

Specials Skin
Right now I'm curious about one thing: Since the new L4D DLC will occur right before the Passing, wouldn't the new Specials and the new skin for the classical Special Infected exist?

Not really. If the new L4D1 DLC comes right after Blood Harvest, instead of right before The Passing, then that mean they haven't mutated enough yet, so the new specials and skins don't exist yet. Another thereoy is that the new infected are only in the south. --?!?!?~PileOPapers 01:51, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I guess we'll never know till it comes out. Though it will probably never happen, to see the new Specials in L4D1 might be interesting LoneWolfHBS5 01:58, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I feel like the new infected have something to do with climate. I have no evidence or theory behind this, it's just what I think. NomNom 02:02, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I have always been wondering why everyone says "L4D1".... I know only L4D and L4D2 but I wont start arguing, call it whatever you want. ŊυĐε 16:13, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

I see "L4D" as referring to the entire series in general. But like you said I won't start arguing. NomNom 21:09, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

The more likely theory is that Valve doesn't want to add the new Special Infected to one campaign just for the sake of making sense. Log Out 01:48, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be awesome if one of the survivors will die by the first charger they ever meet or something like that. --Yoyole123 - Talk 10:20, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

You know what? That is pretty cool. As the Survivor was fending the Horde off, he/she saw the Charger and was so awed by the sight that his/her guard went down and the Charger pummeled him/her to death. LoneWolfHBS5 10:27, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

It will never come
Ok it is the 7th of arpil i am starting to think they scrapped the whole dlc and changed it. The left 4 dead dlc isnt coming out for about five or six months.Not even the name is has been released. The Digital Comic book wont be out for about two months so it is on the computer. I dont think any videos of the fallen survivor are out only pictures. Only 1 picture of the golf club. Hundreds with M60. Only one chapter has been seen and no one knows any of the names. No gamemods have been named or hinted. The finale hasnt been hinted. Explosions of viewers are trying to find out who will die and i will clear this up. One survivour sacrifices himself/her is Zoey who i hope isnt going to and probably wont. And this happens in the Digital Comic Book. The Dlc Will Explain how they got to South Georgia. Hints say that you can decide who sacrifices themselves. But the official Digital Comic Book will tell who really dies. And the sacrifice will happen when the rescue vehicle comes and must help it or sacrifice so the rescue vehicle. No Information is the point no proper release date It is the 7th of April. Someone get the information Please.Commander Maddox 21:49, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Look above you. There's videos with the Fallen Survivor AND Golf club. With love, MrJoe. 22:44, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Chet has gone around and shown gameplay vids of The Passing. The fallen survivor has been seen in gameplay videos. Valve wouldn't scrap an idea after releasing so much information on it.If we have to wait for this, so be it, but it will come.It was delayed maybe because it wasnt ready, or glitches were found.Chubbyhug 22:58, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly what Chubbyhug said. The reason the didn't show you the beginning chapter and finale was because the original Survivors were in them. Just be patient, Valve is known for releasing things late.--?!?!?~PileOPapers 23:13, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think he means the DLC for the original L4D. 10:11, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Warning! This post contains a joke! It is possible that they found bugs and glitches and everything, and now they are like "Hey! Everyone, come here! Look what I found!" "OH MY GOD! How do you do that?! Hahahahaha" "Do it again let me see it!!" "I want to try!" "Hey guys... It's already 7th of April... 2011.... We really should release this now." "Go away party killer!" (That was the joke) But if it's almost finished and they are fixing some little visible bugs, why they can't give us even the release date? Or something like "Yea, it's almost done now. If we are fast, we can release it... umm... In 4 days." I'm running out of achievements to get, I need more! And I want to play... Now I'll stop crying... ŊυĐε 13:36, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Release Date, According to IGN.
June 30. Vauge Spring? June 30... Is Summer. Summer! Hopefully this is a joke, as IGN have a history of being total douchebags. And come to think, of it I didn't see a April Fools Day prank from them this year... With love, MrJoe. 01:57, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, they just put that as the date, they don't know anything. Personal-crisis averted :P With love, MrJoe. 02:15, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I know it was fake but where did it say that? --?!?!?~PileOPapers 02:39, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

You guys don't seem to know much about business. They're not douchebags, and they're not joking. June 30th is the final day of Q2. Q2 is the release date of The Passing. The Passing must be released before June 30th. That's why June 30th is the release date. MatthewLepore 22:15, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Proof that Q2 is the release date? And they are douchebags, but I guess just not about this. This time. With love, MrJoe. 22:29, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, Q2 means the Second Quarter. There are 4 quarters in a year and they're essentially seasons to a business person. Second Quarter is the Spring Quarter, and The Passing is said to be released in Spring. Ergo, The Passing will be released in the Second Quarter. Log Out 00:43, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Even still VALvE has a reputation for delaying products. So I wouldn't get your hopes up --DMaster305 03:16, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation on before vs. after?
Okay, at first I thought it was going to be that the DLC for L4D1 would just be the original Survivors' pov of The Passing with an add in on how they got to the South in the first place and something different for the middle map since they're aren't with the newer 4 for that one. Thus, the way it sounded, all 4 originals would still be alive at the start of The Passing and one would randomly be chosen to die during the finale. However, some people are reacting as if the L4D1 DLC and comic are set before The Passing and only 3 Survivors are actually going to be in it(though they would apparently still be chosen randomly). Has there been any confirmation one way or the other, or is it still unsure if the old Survivors die before or during The Passing and people are just chosing to follow which idea they like the best/believe the most? Just looking for a clarrification here, since it's getting rather confusing to hear both ideas on this page and not know which one, if either, are true. Wave Maker 00:50, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Here's how it is. The L4D1 DLC and the comic are BOTH set before The Passing. The DLC will illustrate how the original Survivors made it down south, and you will get to choose who will die at the end. The comic book, however, will show the REAL story of the L4D1 survivors, and show who REALLY dies. --?!?!?~PileOPapers 03:27, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mkay, thank you for clarifying. Wave Maker 04:10, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

No prob, Bob. :D ~PileOPapers  04:24, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

so the comic is cannon?Smish34 09:53, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the comics canon, shows what actually happens in the l4d universe. LOLKING 04:45, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, if the comic is set before the passing, and it says who dies, how would we see four original survivors in the passing dlc? I would expect the game to be canon before a comic. I guess the comic starts off before the passing and ends at the end chapter of the passing, maybe... Hellz Lips 18:43, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

We won't see the four original survivors together in The Passing. You will see three randomly generated ones picked by the AI Director. ~PileOPapers 20:44, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

And yet this article says the four original Survivors will be there at the start, but only three turn up at the end. Haha, boundless spectulation! --Sera404 22:35, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Regular or Scavenge Finale?
What I'm asking is "What do you people think will be the format for the finale?". I ask this because you obviously start Dark Carnival with Jimmy Gibbs' car, meaning you have to end The Passing with it. I am guessing that the new DLC will be alot like Hard Rain, with you having to go back to the beginning with gas cans on your back. ~PileOPapers 20:56, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

There's also a chance that Dark Carnival will get patched so that the new rescue vehicle gets destroyed. Reskinned stock car anybody?Spy C. Rab 21:15, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I doubt that Valve will have another scavenge finale right after the survivors finish the first scavenge finale ( The Atrium )... maybe they should re-use the kind of finale in Crash Course where you have to hold a button for it to start, and somewhere in the middle, you have to restart it..... As for a reskinned stock car, I doubt it, because (even now) the car looks pretty banged up and destroyed, meaning it probably had to go a great distance and through many obstacles- a.k.a The Passing- for it to finally reach the highway in Dark Carnival. EDIT: forgot to sign :] NewbieSim 22:01, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

It's possible that it has something to do with one of the new game modes. ZF911 22:07, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

It's just a matter of what that new game mode will be like. :P ~PileOPapers  22:09, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

It's already been mentioned few pages above (by me). You do escape The Passing IN Jimmy Gibbs car.

Here's video of interview with Chet Falizhek, here's what he said: "So, in the beginning of the Passing, you play as left 4 dead 2 guys, <...> you're on your way to Dark Carnival,and you're in your Jimmy Gibbs' car, and you get stuck, <...> and then you start talking to left 4 dead 1 characters,and they gonna set you up on your mission, you'll go through a little bit, and they'll actually join you in the finale and help you complete your mission and go out in Jimmy Gibbs' car to New Orleans "

However, this is a smart notice about Scavenge - if car is not only "stuck", but also low on fuel, it probably will need few more cans.

Damn can't wait for it to be released! Urik Kane 16:46, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Co-Optismus Release Date?
I saw the source for the April 27th release date. How reliable is this source? I mean, Valve still hasn't said anything. Just wondered what we knew about this source. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical. Nightmirage 04:14, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

No you are right, this source was not recent, in fact it was before the 31st. Also I would change it to Spring 2010, but someone locked it up. --DMaster305 20:54, April 13, 2010 (UTC)