Talk:The Survivors

Is it "okay" with everyone/the admin/whoever to set up a seperate "Trivia" page for the survivors? There's a whole lot of information that could be added that, while not vital, does make people interested in the game. Dashade 21:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's trivia. We don't exactly need an article filled with trivial things that could just be put on this article or onto the individual playable Survivors' articles. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a hole in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 22:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

church guy spawn list
it's said that if the church guy growls, he becomes a hunter, if he gurgles, he becomes a boomer. i have never gotten hunter but always get the growl. i don't think the gurgle is possible. any comments? Shancad 12 08:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

That isn't true, he growls, gurgles and coughs. But it doesn't determine what he is...I've left him to transform for a couple of minutes, and he did all of those. Maybe it's whatever you open it from? --Charger09 22:23, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Relationship with Other Survivors?
Do you guys think it would be a good idea to add a section to each of the Survivors' own articles, detailing what their relationship with other Survivors appears to be? Of course, we'd have to mark it as speculation, but a lot of wikis do that. I think it would be a nice addition, myself. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 16:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

i dont think it a good idea due there not going to be much to work from and also your starting to slip into the fanon side of things and all that can lead to is alot of trouble lol Spygon 17:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw, no details about Francis and Bill's apparent love-hate friendship, or how close Zoey and Louis seem to be?


 * How am I slipping into fanon, anyway? I know the line. I'm basing the idea on things that happen in the game; how Bill and Francis are always antagonizing each other, for instance. Bill wipes whatever the goo is that he finds from the corpse(s?) at the beginning on Francis, Francis constantly says things like, "What if just your beard starts to turn? Can I shoot that, too?", calls him a helpless old man and "Grandpa Bill"... He doesn't pick on the others nearly as much. Fanon would be saying something like Francis secretly loves Zoey, but he's trying too hard to act like a tough guy to let it show. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 19:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Time to chime in... First, Zoey and Francis were originally supposed to have a relationship but because of feedback from the playtesters, they took that side-story out. Louis was originally supposed to be comic relief as well... Bill... Well, who cares. Bill, for all we know, was originally supposed to be insane and dancing around in his grandmas panties rubbing himself with peanut butter. This was all mentioned on official sources (and in Commentary Mode).
 * Second, I agree with Stigma: Francis and Bill clearly antagonize each other. Try playing with the sound on.
 * Third, Stigma, if you make the page, I'll help fill it. It's a wiki - anyone can add something relevant, and the so-called "fanon" (which has been verified in-game) is just as much a part of the game as the rest. It's about time we stop obsessing over game-stats, glitches, exploits and maps and get into the theories, ideas, backgrounds and stories that make the game just as, if not more, interesting than other FPS games. Dashade 02:51, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the information about the relationships would go on each Survivor's respective articles as a section. Depending on how in-depth it is, we could make a subsection for each of the other Survivors, detailing the projected relationship between the two characters. If little detail is gone into, then it would simply be a paragraph or two highlighting the main parts of it, with references given as to make the theory more...solid. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 03:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

sadly i still have to disagree as you said valve took out all the "relationships" out of the game due to them being "distracting" so most of the time you would be either making it up or guessing what the character is feeling as we all know that humans "feelings and relationships" are hard to guess let alone know what is really going on just from what there saying to each other.I just feel it abit of a waste and will open the door to fanon stories.Also doesnt the wiki have a large amount of theories,ideas and backround but they all have evidence to support themselves so keep up dashade and read more articles.But this is just my opinion and im out voted so i wont get in the way of this article all im asking is that you ask yourself is there any real relevance and need for the article. Spygon 09:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So, uh, the so-called "fanon" relationships aren't clearly referenced enough for you in Commentary mode to be considered having "evidence" as existing? This is a wiki for Left 4 Dead. That should include all the aspects of it (although I agree, at least partially... Turning the wiki into nothing but erotic fanfic involving Zoey, Francis and a kinky Smoker is a bad idea, although I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to try).


 * Actually, they didn't take out the relationships. I'm not talking about, like, "Oh, Francis, I love you!" from any of the Survivors, EVEN BILL. I'm talking about how the Survivors generally act towards one another, how they appear to feel about each other, taken from things in the game. Judging by the dialogue between Zoey and Louis, they seem to be pretty close—"Oh, God, Louis...! I'm going to miss you!", "Anything for you, Louis!", "My plans! My plans!". They get more emotional if they see the others' corpses when compared to, say, Bill's corpse. Not to mention, Zoey says Louis' name in a somewhat...well, affectionate sort of way. As I said before, Francis and Bill constantly pick on one another, showing they have some kind of love-hate thing going on, but nothing too extreme. We're not going to try and come up with theories about their backgrounds, or what could happen in the future, assuming they all survive the Infection. We're just going to point out how the Survivors feel about each other based on things that have happened/been said in the game, all of which is canon. It's about reading between the lines. - §tigma-231 ¤ ৳ here's a  hole  in my neighbourhood [ talk  ][ cont ] 17:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

/agree with Stigma. Discussing the obvious based on the obvious isn't fanfic... And it's still a wiki. Anyone can add anything to it. Unless people wanna become a Wiki-Nazi and start telling people what they can and can't add to a wiki (which defeats the purpose of it being a wiki, since we're discussing things related to L4D), let the "relationship" discussion continue, yeah? (No, I'm not calling you a Wiki-Nazi. I'm just saying that trolling a wiki and removing whatever you don't feel is "appropriate" or "necessary" from a wiki when the items that were deleted involve the subject of a wiki is pretty heavy-handed.)

If Louis sees Zoey dead and says "This was not a part of my plans" then... obviously, Louis has some sort of plans involving Zoey. Are we saying they're romantic? No. Do we all have reasons to believe they could be romantic? When Zoey says something like "Anything for you, Louis" when Louis thanks her, yeah... It's pretty obvious they're not just "friends" anymore. Dashade 00:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * So it's not possible at all that Louis' "plan" is just to get them all to safety? Of course someone dying is not going to be part of that plan. --MadDawg2552 15:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * He only says "Zoey! My plans! MY PLANS!" when Zoey dies, although he can say "This isn't part of my plan" when any of the others die. I think this may just be a saying, as in 'things aren't going according to plan'. He is generally optimistic and might have expected all of them to get through alive easily. --Five Dog 15:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

as i said i wont delete or change the new article as im out voted and except that maybe my view isnt the correct one also i only delete things that are vandalism or total bull.Also the way you write it makes it sound like a script to a bad soap lol but as i said ive put in my view and am now leaving it at that Spygon 01:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to add that Louis' "This was not a part of my plans" can occur when "any" of the survivors die. Similarly, if Zoey is picking a badly injured Louis up, she has the chance of saying something like, "Come on, Louis. Don't make me leave your ass!". Aside from that, I want to point something out: She's surrounded by a skin-head, an old war vet, and an I.T. manager. I wouldn't think it strange for her to act more openly affectionate with Louis. Snakexdude11 09:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC) 09:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe Bill was originally supposed to make fun of Francis`s love with Zoey.Another reason why they took out the love between Francis and Zoey(probably)was because people ALWAYS make Francis x Zoey stuff.Bigens 19:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we should create the Relationships section. This a wiki, and we CAN base it on fact, not fanon. It would be a good idea. --Five Dog 15:32, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I think its a good idea anyway i like to hear what people think about L4d(or is fact)--TeriffiedToxic(Check out my wikia and help ploz Its (www.darkcrusade.wikia.com)) 07:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Bill is solid snake, francis is otacon. Take from that what you will. TBM

This part of the article will only descend into fanboys arguing over who Zoey likes best and fans with some imagination but little writing skills coming up with their own overly complex love-hate relationship between characters. This section of the talk page is already evidence of that, all you people are doing is over analysing one liners and changing the meaning to make it fit with your opinion. Best to just not have it. TheBurningPie


 * This discussion's kinda dead. Too little too late. Imperialscouts 22:13, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * This isn't dead, it simply ended well. A nice question that evolved into a topic that was discussed, voted in favour of, forgotten, and then finally implemented. This is what talk pages are for. ^-^ -- Five Dog  Talk Read 22:30, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * You say potato... Imperialscouts 23:55, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's hardly going to go on until the end of time, is it? All things, whether good or bad, must eventually draw to a close. -- Five Dog  Talk Read 00:00, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, uh... not what I meant. All I was saying is that disscussions that ended are dead. In my opinion. I'm not disagreeing with you, though there is a difference between discussions that ended and discussions that died. I probably could of said it ended to be more accurate. If that's hard to follow, ending is just a better way of dying for disscusions. Again, in my opinion. Wow, that was rambly. Imperialscouts 02:42, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Church Guy
Can the Church Guy be considered a survivor given what happens to him? He's already been bitten before you even meet him in the game and changes soon after you do. I'd say he's more a casualty than a survivor. -- MadDawg2552 19:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the church guy is a survivor but he gets bitten, meaning he could've been attacked by a Hunter, as no other infected (including normal) seem to want to bite their survivor foes. This means that part of "The Infection" can be transmitted by suliva.Project Harbinger 07:16, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I assume the word "survivor" stands for anybody that has survived the first two weeks of the outbreak where obviously the casualty rate of the infection was incredibly high.Also be careful how you word things as you make it sound that the survivors turn into infected too lol Spygon 18:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Only if you don't know how to read English properly. --MadDawg2552 16:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

omg i dont mean the meaning of the word i meant how it is used in the game as a Metaphor please dont tell me i have to explain metaphors to you Spygon 18:01, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I'm not talking about the first part, I was talking about the second part. Where you said the way I worded it sounded like the survivors change into infected, too. Anyway, never mind about all that. If we are talking about "survivors" as the people that survived the initial outbreak, then that's fine. It just seems weird to list him as a survivor even though he turns into a zombie. --MadDawg2552 18:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Several people are claiming that the Church Guy has a 0.1% chance of turning into the Tank. Looking at the game files that determine the chances of a Church Guy into a particular special infected (see the population.txt file in the scripts folder, it states that there is a 50% boomer, 25% hunter and 25% smoker, that's it), there is no evidence of this at all. If anyone wishes to confirm that there is indeed a chance of him transforming into a Tank, it would be better if you provided some form of evidence for this, remember Wikis should be based on solid facts as opposed to floating rumours.. 90.194.153.216 13:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's weird because with different Infected Simplyfied When zoey it's always boomer same with francis And with louis its smoker but hunter with bill Its weird--TeriffiedToxic(Check out my wikia and help ploz Its (www.darkcrusade.wikia.com)) 08:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

That's probably a complete coincidence over which special infected the church guy transforms into depending on who opened the door/provoked the church guy. The population.txt file clearly state that there are percentage chances of which special infected appears. 86.28.168.117 10:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, that has to be a coincidence, because I've played as zoey and gotten a boomer, hunter, smoker, and once a tank.--Colton Lindsay 19:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm good point--TeriffiedToxic(Check out my wikia and help ploz Its (www.darkcrusade.wikia.com)) 12:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Doubt it. He's already been bitten. So when we met him, I think he's more infected than human.Animalx28 01:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Looking in the room he locked himself in was obvious what happen. The dead female zombie was his friend he was crazy with the righting on the wall it comes together and Colton Lindsay you comment about tank coming out of there is wrong and impossible. Wiki itself said it on the bio for Church guy that he spawns boomer hunter or smoker. Don't say a lie if someone can look it up and find out the truth.--Kirby888 19:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you would listen carefully the church guy would say I can't believe he bit me! So it would probably someone he murdered because of his Insanity Dabrules 14:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it was someone who ended up being Infected, who he killed because of that, and after that was when he went insane. - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{¢ont } 15:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Or it could be a woman he killed because of paranoia that she could be infected too. Dabrules 13:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The Church Guy has a mustache with blue jacket blue hat and his hair is brown. Super Smart!--Kirby888 22:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

He can be considered a survivor, he's just not an immune survivor.--Charger09 22:25, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

There's quite a bit of info and trivia about the Church Guy. Should he have his own article? --Gmanington MCCCXLII 23:07, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * No. There really isn't any more information about him beside: He is in the Church's Safe Room; He babbles like a mental moron; He is voiced by the same person who voiced the Scout from TF2; He gets Infected. We don't even have a pic of him so no.--'Iron Tacoz 450 RO A R! 06:06, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Chicago Ted origin
The "No Zombies are safe from Chicago Ted" graffiti is a reference to this: http://www.seanbaby.com/cleveland/part5.html

Wouldn't it be cool if you could at least see him or play as him?Animalx28 23:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Church guy's friend

 * It was the Church Guy babbling.

Yes it was. And this is what he said.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/mirakuruya/l4d_smalltown03_ranchhouse0001.jpg

If he's babbling, then we can discredit that he changed because he was bitten, it was an hour since he was bitten and other things he said.  BLUER   一番   16:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

So, basically, the church had a friend who gave him the infection.Project Harbinger 07:18, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead 2 Survivors
Ok, yesterday at E3 they announced Left 4 Dead 2 and showed new survivors, weapons, and even a new special infected. I think we need to get the new survivors on the page as soon as we can Maurthri 19:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm waiting until there are separate pictures of them and we know just a little more, which, sadly, might not be until November 17th. - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{<font color="darkolivegreen">¢ont } 19:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

They show them on E3 during gameplay look at them there.--Kirby888 19:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC) LOL kinda obv Stigma User:TeriffiedToxic(Check out my wikia and help ploz Its (www.darkcrusade.wikia.com)) 13:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey WTF i didn't put that there I never said that--User:TeriffiedToxic Life as we know it will end soon I think.. 07:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * We need pictures for the wiki to put on the wiki, though. Since you think it's so funny, Terrified, why don't you go find them? ;) - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{<font color="darkolivegreen">¢ont } 15:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ha, in that picture of Coach it looks like he's about to karate chop the camera-man! -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 19:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, that's the only image in-game I could find that isn't blurry, he's actually healing Ellis. xD
 * We still need a picture of Ellis for the Survivors page, a decent one until 17th Nov. is alright for now I guess? Zikkun 07:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Church Guy's transformation
The page says that he will never turn into a witch. However, one time, when I was playing, we were at the end, with the Church Guy. He had already rung the bell, and the zombies were really hitting us hard. I was hosting the local game, so I decided to be a jackass and sv_cheats 1, noclip into the safe house, and sv_cheats 0. I was in there laughing at my teammates (by the way, this game was never serious), they're yelling at me, so I just wait. When the bell stops, a friggin witch spawns and destroys me. No one could have spawned it, because sv_cheats were off. This leads me to conclude that there is a chance that he turns into a witch. TheCreaturenator16 23:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow i never knew, i thought that was impossible--User:TeriffiedToxic Life as we know it will end soon I think.. 07:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If that actually happened, the game files must have been edited. The game is set to only use the hunter, smoker or boomer for him, never the witch. Fadm tyler 02:40, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

It probably happened since you turned the cheats on and stuff. Try it again and tell us what happens. If The Witch spawns, its probably from activating cheats.

In the xbox version, He's usually a boomer, but he's been a hunter before, and I have yet to see him a smoker.--Dfskelleton 06:04, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Ho lee shit. are you serious? that would scare the pee out of me! Maybe the Director wanted to punish you for using cheats? DisMEMBAH 12:37, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

It is rarely your difficulty setting, since we know the director can do good or bad depending on the difficulty. What difficulty did you play on, TheCreaturenator16?Project Harbinger 07:22, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Other Survivors
Seeing as Chicago Ted was mentioned, I remember there being a conversation about a group going to fortify a supermarket. Should this be mentioned in this article? They could have made it, I would also like to say, that a campaign to get to this fortified supermarket as this other group would be interesting. --MainMeister90 22:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Both survivors
Don't you think its weird that in L4D there are 3 males and 1 female Its the same for L4D 2

--User:TeriffiedToxic Life as we know it will end soon I think.. 07:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Not really. The majority of players are males and as such prefer to play as male characters. There is one female included to appease any females playing the game and to make it more diverse. The Deep 1 22:14, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I like to play as zoey because she is smaller than the uthers making it harder for you to get shot by frendly fire.

In the original left 4 dead, i would play as zoey, and i'm a boy. but i had my reasons. I knew that Bill would get a m16 as well as louis and francis got an auto shottie. And i liked killing tanks with ease, so i chose zoey to get another auto shotiie in the action. But in l4d2 they grab anyweapon if their weapons are even missing a clip or 2, so they're unpredictable...--Charger09 22:30, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Well, game developers of zombie games usually see male characters stronger than females, Valve obviously thought different. They thought right.Project Harbinger 07:25, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Church Guy Quotes
This is just a suggestion but, can you give the church guy his own quotes page? Dabrules 8:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I say no, Wiki shouldn't have such huge number of quotes like in each of the Survivors' page and around 75% will be deleted when someone will complete the pages, but I agree that he needs a page already, more than small information is known about him and it's just too much for The Survivors page, or at least a cleanup requires. Zikkun 10:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I think thats a good idea Hey Stigma Make it--User:TeriffiedToxic Life as we know it will end soon I think.. 08:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No. That's really not a good idea at all. The Church Guy isn't a big enough character in the game(s) to warrant his own page. On the same note, would you make an article on John Slater or Chicago Ted and expect it to stay there long? No, you shouldn't. They don't play much of a role at all, nothing like the role the, I don't know, four playable characters play. - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{<font color="darkolivegreen">¢ont } 13:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a suggestion, because the Church Guy has a lot of funny quotes.Dabrules 9:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny quotes don't deserve an article. There aren't really a lot, either. Maybe like, 15, tops. - §tigma-231 ♠ o  ƒ  my caliber { τalk }{<font color="darkolivegreen">¢ont } 15:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

"NO! No one gets in! You think your special with your leather jackets in stuff?!?!?!?"--Kirby888 22:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Stigma: i do agree with you tha he shouldn't get his own page. I just thought i could put down a qoute: No! u hav to stay outside! You think your so good with your leather jackets and fancy blood? Zoey: What!?! I just luv that qoute. SuperMutantSlayer450

Resolution
Five Dog, you reverted my edits because Bill's picture was apparently cutting down into Zoey's section. Could you do me a favor and print screen how it looked for you so I can know the difference? I use 16:9 resolution (widescreen), but most people use 4:3 (normal). As such, this changes how I see it, but it changes how others see it. I sound crazy, but here's how the article looked for me before you reverted: L4D section and the L4D2 section. —<font face="verdana" size="2"> Baltro [  talk  ·  edits  ] 23:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, my computer is, for lack of a better word, pathetic. It has suffered from minor problems such as not running any games, to major problems such as shutting down randomly. I am very lucky that I can even use the internet properly. I'm afraid that, if I try to do anything of the sort, I will either cause it to freeze, or shut down. Either way, it ends up being powered down.


 * However, in all honesty, if it really annoys you that much, you can change it back. I just didn't want all the text bunched together and the pictures pushing each other out of the way.


 * Warm regards, Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 23:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, being truly, truly honest, I'd really like it if we can keep it the way it is now. It looks nice and neat. ;) -- Five Dog ( Talk ){ Updates } 20:41, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Soldier?
Exactly who is "Soldier" anyway? Any more info on this guy or did somebody just make it all up?Mr. Someguy 11:15, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Alright, since no-one will tell me, I'm removing it until I can get a source. Mr. Someguy 12:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Soldier drives the APC in BH.  Strong Intelligent 


 * But where do those quotes come from? I've looked all over the sound folders and never found anything close to that. Mr. Someguy 16:40, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

you guys do know i could be leaked audio from the passing dlc.halflife2guy

It's not. Those quotes are apparently only found in the Subtitles files, they were never recorded. Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:21, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

New L4D2 picture?
I think we should change the L4D2 survivors picture with the one as we see them in the intro. I tried to change the image and every time I do it crashs on me. I did manege to upload the photo though. --VaultGuru 12:45, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Old Survivors in left 4 dead 2
Since they said the old survivors might be in the new game a way they could put them in the game is when after one of the new survivors die and the player spawns in a closet it could be one of the old survivors in the closet or even Chicago ted on rare occasions but that is just an ideaPlatypuslover171 01:32, October 24, 2009 (UTC)Platypuslover171 01:33, October 24, 2009 (UTC)Platypuslover171
 * As much as I'd like Bill, Francis, Louis, and Zoey to be in Left 4 Dead 2, making them pop up in closets after one of your new teamates died doesn't sound like that good of an idea. And from the looks of things, there's gonna cutscenes, which will probably means that the old survivors won't be coming back :( EllisxZoey


 * I can see it now:

Bill: Help me outta here! Coach: Hey Bill Bill: Hey Coach. Thanks for getting me out of that closet when there was no reason for me to be in one since I got rescued by the military at the end of Blood Harvest, and there's certainly no explanation why I'm in Louisiana since the first game took place in Pennsylvania, too. Coach: Yeah... --<font color="DarkGoldenrod">The Scat Man 450  RO <font color="DarkKhaki">A  R! 01:59, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * Coach opens door*
 * I know it is very unlikely but it was just a suggestion because they said the survivors might be in the game and it was the only thing I could think of.
 * Put a colon before your response. It looks like I said that. And they might be unlockables, or there may be an 8 vs 8 fight, which would have to include the originals. That would be awesome.--<font color="DarkGoldenrod">The Scat Man 450  RO <font color="DarkKhaki">A  R! 02:16, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * 8 vs 8? That would be interesting. I would imagine it to require much more teamwork from the Infected, though. MaskedMissingno 21:38, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

I heard that they may make it in do to demand as unlockable characters.

My guess is that the original Survivors will unlockable by having certain Achievements from the original game, similar to how players could unlock Carmine, RAAM, and Kim in Gears of War 2.  Captain Baird  Comm-LinkService Record 01:20, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

So, anyone have any news on the old survivors?Gorvar 15:07, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

i think there should be a last chapter where all the survivors meet upuser:Hunter4death 19:40, december 23

Geez guys, anyone never heard of steam forums? There is gonna be a dlc where they will meet after dead center and before dark carnival. Look up "the passing"--Charger09 22:33, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Lambada Logo
has anyone managed to find a lambada logo on any of the l4d2 charecters,or the demo? if they stuck it into Francis' hair in l4d,i got a good feeling it'll be here too --JoeHanSon 01:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

May be on one of Nicks rings...--<font color="SeaGreen">'Meester SHOGUN 450  RO <font color="DarkKhaki">A  R! 01:16, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not on his texture sheet. However, one of Francis' tattoos is on Nick's ring. Darkman 4 03:27, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

i know it's gonna be in here somewhere,oh well,i guess i'll have to wait--JoeHanSon 04:27, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

My turn to corect you JoeHanSon, the charger that is hung up in swamp fever is the lambda locatorMerpmaster25 06:27, November 26, 2009 (UTC)Merpmaster25


 * That is correct Jo the Marten  ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  06:32, November 26, 2009 (UTC)



L4D2 Survivors preferred weapons
I don't think they have preferred tier 1 and 2, cause during the demo they always just grab whichever new weapon they see. Regulust 20:39, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

its strang as the same thing is hapining to me because I just grab what i see instead of grabing a shoty.
 * Yeah, they dont have any preferred. They choose the weapon they see.

i think it's because of the way the item spawns are set up, like in crash course, if the assuault rifle spawns first,they'll grab that and keep that, someone on pc, spawn 4 AI survivors,and all the weapons, that'll hopefulyy sort it out--JoeHanSon 20:14, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

I loaded up the first level in the demo about 20 times, the weapon they grab at the start seems rather random. Just going off of Nick Sometimes he would grab the Smg sometimes the shotgun, I don't think they have a favoured weapon in tier 1, they *might* in tier 2 I did'nt test them. Also this is just the demo they might have prefrences in the full game. -Fireside 15/11/09

Actually, to be completely acurate, Ellis' fav weapon is the grenade launcher, Coach is the chainsaw, Nick has either the skillet or pistol, and I'm not actually to sure about Rochelle, but it might be the M-16 or AK-47. User:Scoopicus

Keith
Does he really deserve a space? His section is short, and he's not the only friend Ellis talks about. Seems to talk about a guy named "Dave" too... EllisxZoey

Well I was hoping Keith would have a bigger role in the main game. But when the game comes out it might just turn into a section about all of Ellis' friends. Jo the Marten ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  00:40, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

I also found a Subway Graffiti Quote left for a "Keith" and was wondering if this could be the same "Keith" that Ellis keeps mentioning?

The Subway Graffiti:

“Keith: Waited 3 days at the meeting spot after we got separated. I can’t wait anymore. Meet me at Mercy Hospital” – Krista

Ha, Keith reminds me of Rasputin. Rasputin was shot, burned, poisoned, blown-up, drowned, and beaten. The only real difference is the alligator attack. Themanwiththeplan 19:27, November 23rd, 2009

I was listening to one of Ellis' stories about Keith, and something caught my eye: I noticed that with the story where Keith gets stabbed by a ghost, they describe the ghost as a guy wearing a white cloak that covered his body and only had two eye holes. Does this remind anybody of any sort of infamous group, or specifically clan? If ya still have yet to catch on, I think Keith was stabbed by a KKK member, hinting that Keith could either have some other sort of racial background other than Caucasian, or hinting that he's not a protestant.

I seemed to take notice of the above - Davie9


 * Did it ever occur to you that someone dressed up in a sheet to look like a ghost for a robbery so the person would actually think it was a ghost and not pursue them to press charges? I admit, the person getting robbed would have to be braindead to believe it was a ghost, but look at all of Ellis' stories. Also, he is a friend of Ellis, so that proves he is even more of an idiot.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 01:43, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

I suggest removing the following bold part from this section under Keith:
 * It is worth noting that a graffiti on the wall in The Subway reads as “Keith: Waited 3 days at the meeting spot after we got separated. I can’t wait anymore. Meet me at Mercy Hospital – Krista". However this could just be a coincidence, seeing as Keith is a relatively common name and is unlikely a person would travel all the way from Georgia to Pennsylvania, which happens to be the very place where the Infection broke out, just to get rescued.

The only way the bold part would be remotely possible is if Keith had a time machine, seeing as how part 2 takes place one week after part 1 and the infection is just now reaching the south. There's always the possibility that Keith traveled to Pennsylvania before the infection broke out, but there's no way his name would appear in graffiti for the survivors in part 1 if he traveled there after the infection. --MadDawg2552 20:08, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that's worth noting in the slightest, quite frankly. The entire quoted section should be removed, forget about just what you have in bold. It's exactly this kind of baseless speculation that has so many people disregarding the L4D wiki as a valuable source of info on the game. I have to agree with EllisxZoey, why exactly does Keith even have a section here? Wouldn't it make more sense to put this under Ellis' page? Goose511th 19:35, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Carriers
"Some people are carriers.They're immune but they can spread the infection. "

Could The cast of L4D and L4D:2 be these carriers? I found this quote floating around in the Graffiti Section.

Probably, but they would only bring doom to vulnerable survivors, which at this point, no-one.Project Harbinger 07:31, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Whitaker
How do you see him in-game? Regulust 06:35, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

No-Clip into his room-- SS4FireFox 13:40, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Oh. Well hopefully you can play as him in a DLC campaign. Regulust 20:07, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Did anyone notice that after you give him Cola, something that sounds like an Infected scream can be heard trough the megaphone ? I'd like to know if it was only a trick of the mind, or if it's real. (Magus Eldred 19:48, November 23, 2009 (UTC))

No, its an ifected. I've heard screaming through the phone to and after hearing it an ifected ran up the staircase. --VaultGuru 04:05, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * The intercom at the foot of the stairs acts like the mic does in Dark Carnival. It was just an Infected running past it. I have heard him fighting Infected before. Like "GTFO OUT MY STORE YOU SON OF A BITCH" and the Infected were all, "GRAFSKSJG D:< *dead*" I love Whitaker. He's true bamf. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  04:12, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * It is possible to see Whitaker without using noclip. On the roof is a shack; As soon as someone delivers the Cola, Whitaker can be seen with a Grenade Launcher. But that thing that he fires is NOT a grenade launcher. --The Sausage King of Chic-NO. 04:31, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Chicago Ted
Does he even appear in L4D2? Regulust 05:07, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Not physicly, but in some graffiti. Scoopicus

He comes out in the L4D2 graffiti? Where so? NewbieSim 05:40, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

DLC characcters (lolz game just came out)
so far I only have keith (unknown whether he died in that minefield he camped out in) and chicago ted. church guy, virgl, and whitaker are excluded from this list, it puts a depressing story in mah head.

Wireframes?
This stuff was added in each of the Left 4 Dead 2 Survivor pages, saying they share the same wire frames. Personally, I don't see how this is possible, does the person who added it in mean skeleton? Either way, could said person take a picture of each and show? I'm rather curious.--CloudT 04:38, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Youtube Pages?
About 4 characters from L4D2 have their own YouTube pages. Ellis, Keith, Roachelle and Coach all have YT pages. Does anyone think their real? --VaultGuru 18:34, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget the midnight riders. They have a youtube page AND a website. I think that at the very least the riders are real, since the steam store has T-Shirts for their tour which was ONLY announced on the website.


 * Keith has a Youtube page? Where's Nick's page?--<font color="SeaGreen">'Meester SHOGUN 450  RO <font color="DarkKhaki">A  R! 20:13, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Only Ellis's is real.


 * In the canon the page uses, it's before the infection, and no-one knows Ellis. And yet, Rochelle and Coach posted on his page? Presicley. Alsom Keith is supposed to be in hospital, and so wouldn't use a youtube account.  Strong Intelligent 

If any of these pages are real, can you post a link?--<font color="SeaGreen">'Meester SHOGUN 450  RO <font color="DarkKhaki">A  R! 20:23, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Rochelle Coach Ellis Keith Second Keith Clown UCI Chocolate Helicopters Zoey The Tank Boomer --VaultGuru 01:03, November 26, 2009 (UTC) 

Hell, Ellis even has a facebook. I found a link to it from his youtube channel. Jackass2009 01:25, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Whitakers weapon
What is the name of the weapon used by Whitaker that looks exactly like a Grenade launcher? Fadm tyler 16:02, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

The gernade launcher-- SS4FireFox 20:29, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

So I'm not making a connection where there isn't one? It's been changed to rocket launcher a couple of times recently. Fadm tyler 20:47, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

it's just cause the projectile he shoots at the gas tank doesn't look like a gernade, but like a rocket.-- SS4FireFox 21:10, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

I always thought it was a grenade launcher with explosive ammo, because that's how a grenade launcher with explosive ammo shoots. (for me at least) Jackass2009 00:50, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Question
my zombies sometimes attack each other

apparently the ones being attacked are survivors... or not

....so what's the question? Jo the Marten ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:41, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I may be wrong, but I think the first line was meant to say Why do zombies sometimes attack each other? If it was, I'd say that they are reduced to violent, mindless animals who don't really know any better. Fadm tyler 20:36, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * If that's the case, then they're just being animalistic and kind of stupid. Ever seen two animals just go at it? I sure have. Jo the Marten  ♠  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  22:44, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * no scratch that i just realized that the zombies are attacking each other not possible survivors i had my doubts when the slaughtered zombie disappeared before i could examine the body. i thought valve put some other NPC survivors to die through the game but it was just zombies attacking each other Shiny-gami 21:17, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

We need more survivors who can sing while slaughtering zombies
I think we need some survivors who sing while they kill zombies. Like Richard in this video(the guy doing all the killing) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g&NR=1

Now add some skin and weapons and what not and he would be a great survivor.

Intro text
"Although they are immune, a comment by Bill suggests that they could become an Infected at any point."

SAUCE NEEDED! Paladin Oor-Tael
 * I think you wanted to say source... <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 22:39, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, duh. :s It's interwebspeak :D --Paladin Oor-Tael 14:17, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it means when Bill says "If I start to turn, promise you'll shoot me." which Francis follows with "WHAT IF JUST YOUR BEARD STARTS TO TURN, CAN I SHOOT THAT?" Okay, the second part wasn't needed, but I just adore Francis and couldn't help it. At least the point is across. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  14:23, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think the only reason he says that is because they don't actually know whether they're immune or not. There is some graffiti in the No Mercy finale that describe various different times that it took for people to change. It shows that the speed of the change could be a few days to a few minutes. Since Bill only says that line during No Mercy in the elevator, it couldnt have been very long since they encountered infected for the first time. Maybe he's afraid he'll change at any second? Purplemonkey55 21:22, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Your Favorite Survivor
Who is your favorite survivor from the Left 4 Dead series? Bill Coach Ellis Francis Louis Nick Rochelle Zoey

I can't believe nobody thought of this yet.

you sir, are a genious. Ellis rocks! :) "This one time me and by buddy keith...." DisMEMBAH 12:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Missing Speech?
All that speech that was promised by Valve and the things I've read about here that they are suposed to talk about to build up their personalities and story and stuff and like the Keith-story's and so seems to be missing from my game. I don't know how this could have happened, but there really is nothing, though it seems some things have been left in. I don't know if there's something wrong with my instalation or they just say things on singleplayer or what? When I played the Demo, Ellis would allways tell a Keith thing in the saferoom in the begining of "The Park", but in the full game, nothing. I would really apreciate any help I could get with this issue, seeing that I'm the kinda guy that never wants to miss anything in a game.

Quotes
I was visiting the Team Fortress 2 Wiki and I noticed (not that it would be easy to miss) that for the quotes sections for the characters they not only had the quotes but had sound recordings (sorry, don't know the official name) where you could listen to them. I was wondering if we could do something like that but I have the 360 version and I figure you would need the PC version. Any particular reason that would be a bad idea? Imperialscouts 20:42, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

That sounds really awesome, and I've seen other wikis with that feature as well. I would think it would be relatively easy to just upload the sound file from the game, but we still need the template/format or whatever....(that little rectangle with the play button) DisMEMBAH 12:45, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Keith
For Keith, this video explains a whole lot.

116.48.226.129 15:44, February 11, 2010 (UTC) haha, nice. but not the real keith. the guy says the face is off of a CoD model. IchigoKitty 00:32, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the post!
Hi! Sorry for the post because the L4D3 ideas, it was my cousin 's idea. She sneaked at my room and then POOP! Oh man, I will check my PC carefully. For me, her ideas are useless. Left4deadgirl 07:58, March 6, 2010 (UTC) P.S. Please to all top contributors : Please delete her post. Check it.

Zoey?
Where did you guys see that she was from a wealthy family? I can't find that anywhere! Iphone1995 07:17, March 24, 2010 (UTC)iphone1995


 * I believe it's in the game manual for the Xbox 360 version. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  07:22, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's not in there lol by the way, cute signature Iphone1995 10:21, March 24, 2010 (UTC)iphone1995.


 * Yeah, I've been up and down the 360 manual (I one of the few people in the world who reads those things.) It ain't there. Imperialscouts 02:47, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Survivor Pages
Was it necessary to add "Age: Unknown" and "Hometown: Unknown" to all four of the original survivor pages? LazyLord777 19:12, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's part of the template. If I left it blank it'd show template coding. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  19:22, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, I was just wondering. LazyLord777 19:38, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Midnight Riders?
Well, there's been a few debates about this, but aren't the Midnight Riders technically anonymous survivors? I mean, even though some of the graffiti on the The Concert stated "R.I.P..." and whatnot, it is also stated on the wall that a helicopter had rescued them and continuous rants of how they were cowards went on.... They have a web page that may or may not be updated from time to time, plus a Midnight Rider's bus is seen rushing past the L4D2 survivors in The Passing So, shouldn't they be in the distant or anonymous survivors? They seem to have more significance than "Chicago Ted". Chicago Ted only appears on graffiti in a few or one saferoom... yet he gets his little section? NewbieSim 05:29, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, since the midnight riders are likely the people in the the bus in the passing. Also i'd like to point out that i finds chicago teds section completely useless, i mean hes only mentioned in a single piece of graffiti. if thats all thats needed, there'd be a lot of new sections to create in this article,--Fijure 19:25, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Voice actors
We got pictures of their face models. Anyone else agree we should perhaps put pictures of their voice actors on their pages as well? Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  20:59, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sound like a good Idea. They are the ones who did the work. Omnivex 21:05, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thats a yes for me. DisMEMBAH 14:21, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

The Original 3
Well, they helped the new survivors escape in the passing...but since they've 'had enough of the military', what'll happen to them? It's unlikely the two groups will ever meet up again, and there can't be a new game, since there's now only 3 survivors, and Louis injured his legs. They shouldn't be able to hold out in that house for long, either. (We know what happened to previous survivors who used THAT strategy...) So, what plans does Valve have for them? Dragon1300 00:03, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Valve is planning a DLC for L4D and a comic book to explain how they ended up there in the first place, so I think they are going to release something to explain what happened afterward too.

They probably just barricaded themselves somewhere. Just like Whitaker KarmaChargerIsAlwaysWatching 15:06, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Our message to our foreign players
I was considering making a template for alternate language voice actors (assuming they exist). I say that cause I'm sure some languages just have subtitles, but I'm sure there's voices for some. So what do you guys think? Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  16:49, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean just alter the current one, right? :3  If so, sure  :o  Sera404 16:51, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * We have one? I haven't seen it. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  16:53, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking of the Infobox survivor template, sorry, haha. But you could alter that one to store the VAs of the other languages too  :3  Sera404 17:24, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I meant something more like this. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:30, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you think it works, sure. We could just pop it under the Infobox survivor template or something.  :D  Sera404 20:48, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm a foreign player but I play it with the english voices because the spanish traduction sucks. Also, I don't know how it would be in other languages, but hispanic traductors tend to use the same voice actor for lots of different games that they want to translate, so as L4D and L4D2 are different games, voice actors may (I'm not entirely sure) be used again for the characters (Example: Ellis and Francis). Would that be a problem?  LaZa  19:19, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Stupid changes.
Someone is making stupid changes to this article, someone had changed names on Bill to Bruno and wrote that he is a hardcore gay. I changed it back to the best of my abilities, so just a heads up if something might happen again. Fnorkus 12:54, April 28, 2010 (UTC)Assmaster 3000

Almost same thing happened in Achievements article. It said to achiev mercy killer, you must rape a zombie and cum inside him.... Changed it back. ŊυĐε 14:14, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Pages for unplayable survivors
I've got this idea, that maybe there could be made articles about, some of the major survivors, like Virgil or Whitaker since there are quite much information about them, and that the information could make good articles. What do you think? --Fijure 19:28, May 26, 2010 (UTC)