User talk:Jo The Marten

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http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq150/Jo_The_Marten/cs_office_unlimited_oc0000-1.jpg Our professionally trained Hunters work around the clock, answering your many questions. Welcome to my talk page! Please feel free to post questions you might have here! Keep in mind, I'm not constantly on the Wiki, so it may take a few minutes to a few hours for me to respond. Also don't be surprised if another admin sees your post and responds to it before I do. We often go around to each other's talk pages to make sure everyone who has a question is satisfied in a timely manner. Here are some guidelines I like to see in comments to me:

Before anyone asks, the Userboxes can be found HERE! So please stop asking!

1. Readable

I understand not everyone spoke English as their first language, and that's fine. As long as it's readable and n0+ lyek dis foo' you'll be fine. =)

2. Mature

This is a Wiki. Members, especially admins, will edit and delete posts without mercy. If you're concerned about an edit I might have made, please tell me why you feel this way and persuade me. Do not come on here and complain like a 6 year old. Chances are that'll only get you blocked.

3. Sign your name

I can't tell you how tedious it is to go up to my Talk Page History and have to search for whoever sent a message. Just sign your posts and at least I'll know what page to go to if you don't already have a link to your page in your sig.

Don't forget to check my F.A.Q. page and see if I might have already answered your question.

Thanks, and I look forward to your questions and comments! =) Jo the Marten  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  19:09, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Featured...
I was just wondering, am I allowed to change the featured article, or is that an admin-only deal. And should there be a different featured image and video? The ones currently featured are getting kind of old... 11:14, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yea I agree. I would suggest the Sacrifice trailer as the video seeing as its most recent. For the image I would also suggest the Sacrifice poster and in honor of Bill his artical as the featured artical or of course the hunters:).Sniperteam82308 18:58, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Bill's article was featured the month after The Passing was released... I was the one who nominated him... But I was thinking of the Sacrifice teaser as a video, too. What do you think, Jo? 00:44, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Alright must've not seen it, well then how about a whole Sacrifice theme. Its trailer will be the video, its poster the image, its page the featured artical, and the poll Did you like the Sacrifice Yes or No.Sniperteam82308 18:54, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yea never mind on the poll and featured artical since you just edited those, but I am sticking with video and image.Sniperteam82308 02:01, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Alright well thats cool I guess you are right it seemed like they used to take up less space. And considering we have what 4-8 did you know facts it really is worthless same with image but I would suggest keeping the video and everytime a new trailer or interveiw comes up post it there.Sniperteam82308 02:10, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
I'm Glad to be able to help out Jo,and I also I have a group on steam that covers Cut,Beta and Unused Content on Steam mostly games that Valve made http://steamcommunity.com/groups/OrginalGames Yeah I know the name was a bad idea but I just ignore it.

Military Pics
Yea, sorry i tried my best to get the in-game pics of the signs... I'll maybe try using the Left 4 Dead Authoring Tools but i usually get overlay boxes that cover the sign but i'll see what i can do... 06abrahb 05:39, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

So do the military signs look better now? I used the authoring tools and got most of them... however strangely enough, some of the signs were still missing so i left the originals in the gallery but at least they are the ones that look ok... :) can we delete the infobox now? just wanna make sure i have your ok on it... 06abrahb 22:20, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, i kinda thought it would go either way... sadly, that's as good as i can get it on my laptop :( my graphics card is average so unless someone has an awesome gaming computer with a good graphics card or knows how to refine those pics to get a sharper image, i guess that's as good as they are going to be... sorry but i tried really hard this time to do my best. 06abrahb 22:43, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Page for Left 4 Dead merchandise
Just wondering if we could actually create a a page that shows all the Left 4 Dead stuff you can buy from Valve Store... would that be a problem or conflict of interest? I just suddenly had that thought today at work but I thought I should clear it with you first.

Thanks for fixing up the page!! =D That was kinda the idea i had in my head but i didn't know how to get it to work on wiki :P Looks pretty awesome now! 06abrahb 19:03, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Troublesome User Page
Hey Jo.

I know for a fact that at least some of the stuff on User:NiveKJ13's page is vandalism, but some of it seems to have been up for a while. Just thought I'd alert you to it and let you figure out how you wanna handle the situation. Nightmirage 17:21, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Nightmirage, it looks like vandalism... 06abrahb 17:44, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Jo, here is another troublesome user page think i find inappropriate and disturbing User:Undeadshark

Thanks, 06abrahb 08:07, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Link Colors
They are perfectly readable on the main page, it's just in actual articles that they are difficult to read. But, like you said majority rules. Also, why I asked instead of just changing them. :-) - Wagnike2 19:04, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Love the new look btw really profesional and clear, the one downside is ive noticed the campaign dropdown bar has gone from the main nav bar, which is rather anoying as i used it alot but hey ho if you had a good reason for it i understand, keep up the good work :)

Smeliot mycrosoft 22:51, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Old wiki layout
Hey Jo! Just wondering, I noticed that they changed the wiki layout to only 2 formats, the new look or the monobook. I really preferred the other old look, similar to the monobook but was more adjusted to our l4d wiki site with the sidebar menus and tabs. I checked my preferences but there are only those 2 layouts now, is there no way to go back to what I originally had? I also noticed that most people prefer that layout that i mentioned. The new one is alright, but I still prefer the older one... can you help with this or is this a wiki thing? Thanks! 06abrahb 20:33, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
I did not know you were the head here o.O heres a vandalist

http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:98.240.64.85

03:30, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Slider
I was trying to create a Slider for the wiki but it says it doesn't want to save. Can you tell me why? --CryGame--

By Slider i mean the thing on this page http://deadspace.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Why did you delete my article?`
Why dude? why?

Why did you delete my article?`
Why dude? why? I was simply trying to make a contribution about the upcoming Left 4 dead. It was announced by Valve and verified by Gameinformer

The M60 on The Sacrifice?
I'm confused, why is the M60 on The Sacrifice(along with No Mercy) in Left 4 Dead 2? It was said that M60 was only to appear on L4D2's The Passing. Zombiekiller14 13:42, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re: M60 on The Sacrifice?
Hmm, you got a point, Jo. Zombiekiller14 21:55, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Hey, do ya ever think about changing the quote on the Clean template? Maybe with this quote:

"Christ. I'm all gooed."

Let me know if you agree. Thx. Zombiekiller14 16:01, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Question
Oh, well. If there's any other templates that needs a new quote, let me know, alright? Zombiekiller14 18:20, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hey...
Hey, a few days ago, I made a change on the Left 4 Dead template to make sure that Left 4 Dead did release for Mac. Now, all I need is the date on when L4D released on Mac. You don't mind helping me out, do you? Zombiekiller14 13:42, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hey...
Never mind, I found it. Zombiekiller14 13:47, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Fix Infobox Links
Hey Jo since you fixed the location infoboxes coloring could you also fix the Detour Ahead infobox as well? again, you cannot see the wording due to the font color.... Thanks!! :) 06abrahb 21:42, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again Jo!! Your awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =D lol 06abrahb 03:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well as you have noticed, I decided to create some location pages for the specific locations (ie. The Vannah ) The infobox for the Left 4 Dead 2 Locations needs to be modified (the link addresses; The Vannah location to be linked to page, not "The Hotel" chapter) as I will be creating more location pages for other places. Thanks for your help!!!!!!! :) 06abrahb 20:51, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh for the love of god THANK YOU!!!!!!!! :P i don't understand why it wasn't working!! oh well... THANKS!!! :) 06abrahb 23:29, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Jo, sorry to keep bugging you like this... but i need your help once again. I need you to redirect the Ducatel page to go to a new page. I'm ready to once again upload a new location and just to give you a heads up, i will also be creating a location page for the sugar mill as well so you may want to get it ready so that way i don't need to keep bugging you... Thanks!!!!!!!!! 06abrahb 16:48, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yea hi, it's me again.... :P I need you to redirect the page for New Orleans to a new page so i can create it. Thanks!!! :D 06abrahb 05:00, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Want to Tell you
I want to tell u a couple things i am a huge fan of Left 4 Dead played every version out there that they have i waited for it to come out once it did ran to gamestop to get it same with left 4 dead 2 and i amwaiting to get a response from Valve i am making a type of left 4 dead RC figure that can walk, talk, and fight the other infected and i am giving it to all teh left 4 dead fans out there. If you have a Xbox 360 with left 4 dead. ManicL4D Master is my Username and i have a PC account but i forgot it

okay
sorry but i failed language arts but I dont have it this semester. No one tought me good. Well i have a PC account do you have a account for that version I would also send you a newspaper i am working on. its kinda funny but really good.

Beta Left 4 Dead
Hey Jo, as you may have noticed a new contributor has started a page about the old beta version of the Left 4 Dead series. I was wondering if you think there is a purpose to this page,,, i put it up for deletion but the author deleted it and so now i'm asking you... he seems very new at this (as i have corrected his other edits) therefore i think that this also might tie in. Can you take a look? Thanks!! 06abrahb 10:27, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Hell Custom Campaign
Hey Jo, as you just seen I'm uploading a new custom campaign called Welcome to Hell. I got everything working except the "movie poster" for it and the custom campaigns infobox template. Can you help me please? You can find the movie poster link in the photos i recently added... thanks!!!!!! 06abrahb 07:42, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, of course... :P he said "No problem dude. Good to see that you will put some info about my campaign on the wiki."

Thanks! " 06abrahb 16:38, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm starting to create the chapters for this campaign however I can't get the infobox chapters to cooperate. I know you need to put in colors and such but I don't see where to do that! Can you help and tell me how to do this, that way I don't have to keep bugging you after every single chapter! :P THANKS!!! 06abrahb 23:30, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

i made edits to the website now

Hey.
Hey, have you seen my user page? Let me know if you like it. Zombiekiller14 14:32, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

I have good and bad news.
82.42.231.202 had removed some articles probably because he wants to troll, but luckily I've reverted some of them. We must be ready. --Breakin&#39;Benny 19:20, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Photos from Shading a Bigger, Better Sequel up
Just uploaded photos from the Shader Techniques in Left 4 Dead 2 "book, thing whatever". If some of them look a bit strange modify if you want (but don't modify TOO much), and then place them on Common Infected where the comment hiding the text is. . --Breakin&#39;Benny 19:20, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reply
Thank you for the enlightenment, Jo. Anyway, we should at least tell players what combinations work to specific situations. Maybe not a class, but a easy method for acheivements, essentially summing the best way to deal with a certain obstacle, such as Hard Rain (Witches), Finales (Tanks), or any other thing. Another thing is that, well, you have noted some styles in Special Infected pages. If you don't mind, I'll delete the stuff personally. Anyway, it WAS a stupid idea. Another thing is the message to me, the insults were too much, I agree completely, but I find that these people who put the most illogical stuff in, without thinking, is plain insulting. Left 4 Dead is a coop FPS game. Emphasis on coop, meaning THINKING strategies. I hope that, in the talk pages, you put a note that posts be a little bit more logical, and not just random, as Bill would say it, "horseshit".

Thank you, Sorry

Elvinoid

The Waterfront Market
Hey Jo, i'm doing some research for the next location spot in The Parish, the Waterfront Market, and i was wondering, do you know if its a river or lake or the ocean that is right beside the market at the very beginning when Virgil drops off the survivors... it looks like it's suppose to be a lake, is that accurate? 06abrahb 07:09, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Church Guy
Hey, do you think the Church guy paranoid, crazy, annoying, or all of the above? Zombiekiller14 14:10, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Re: The Church Guy
I think he's paranoid and crazy, but you gotta agree with me saying "he's annoying". And BTW, is there a page on Wikipedia about Nathan Vetterlein? Zombiekiller14 18:06, December 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, and I change my mind, the Chuch guy IS funny. Only when he says, "Ding dong!" Zombiekiller14 15:51, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Campaigns Template
Hey, you don't mind if I edit the campaigns template? I used tinypic.com to cut the campaign poster of all capmaigns in L4D1-2. Zombiekiller14 16:22, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Re:
Trust me, and I'm not going to replace the campaign posters with it's titles. Zombiekiller14 18:04, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hunter Picture?...
Hello

I was curious to know whether you would allow me to please use your picture: http://left4dead.wikia.com/index.php?title=File:Hunterlunge_1.png&limit=20&showall=0#filehistory

I want to use it in a small (non profit) animation I'm making for a fellow friend to use on his website. The website is to advertise his server group: Cocktail Party. We'd much appreciate this if we could use it.. can credit you for the picture if you like?...

I can send you a copy of the animation if need be so you may see what it is I am doing?...

Here is my email address as I don not have a wikia account and don't really intend to get one..

qwertypip@hotmail.co.uk

Reagrds Mike

Hey Jo, this is not a question or anything but I know how you like hunters and all and last night I was randomly looking up some l4d stuff when i came across this hunter picture....



Update Location Infobox templates for Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2
Hey Jo, ok so i think i'm getting close to finishing creating all the key locations for both Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2... however i need you to update the location infobox templates as some links need to be redirected to the location page as well as other locations needed to added into the template. Here is the complete list of most of the locations that were edited or that need to be added:

Left 4 Dead:

 * Riverside First Church
 * Riverside Park
 * Harbor View Hotel
 * Daughtery Farm (working on it)
 * Fort Harris County (Suicide Blitz)

Left 4 Dead 2:
I'll let you know when i finish creating the last couple of pages that i plan to have done soon. If you have any questions or suggestions about the locations, please let me know... as well, please take a look at the talk page for Fort Harris County as we need your input. Thanks for your help!! :) 06abrahb 09:05, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Vannah
 * Whitaker's Gun Shop
 * Save 4 Less
 * Liberty Mall
 * Rayford Port (working on it)
 * Village En Marais
 * Ducatel
 * Ducatel Sugar Company
 * Ducatel Diesel
 * Waterfront Market
 * Bienville Park
 * Bus Station
 * Impound Lot
 * Saint Roches Cemetery
 * The Jazz Club
 * Veterans Memorial Bridge

Alright Jo, never mind... I managed to figure it all by myself! :) lol so i updated the locations templates myself and i can continue to update them if i do anymore location editing... thanks! 06abrahb 07:02, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Should the Template:L4D Locations really have stuff from Suicide Blitz up? I'm a bit unsure on that. o_O Sera404 09:08, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I restored the "original" template (changed link addresses though) until further noticed once this matter has been resolved. The only reason I included Suicide Blitz was because I did create the location page for it... I've been trying to get the admins feedback on this matter on whether you guys want it there or not. I can understand if you guys do or don't want it there. I was looking into creating a separate location template for custom campaigns but don't know where to begin. So like i said, this was more of an experiment but please do let us know whether this is allowed or not (most likely not the more i think about it now)... 06abrahb 10:43, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I restored the "original" template (changed link addresses though) until further noticed once this matter has been resolved. The only reason I included Suicide Blitz was because I did create the location page for it... I've been trying to get the admins feedback on this matter on whether you guys want it there or not. I can understand if you guys do or don't want it there. I was looking into creating a separate location template for custom campaigns but don't know where to begin. So like i said, this was more of an experiment but please do let us know whether this is allowed or not (most likely not the more i think about it now)... 06abrahb 10:43, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Just an idea...
Hey Jo, I just had an idea for the Home Page here on the L4D wiki, though you guys may have done this or heard this idea before, but i just thought, could we do like a l4d picture of the week kind of thing? where every so often people could upload their own fan art or awesome screenshots that they have and share it with everyone? I know there are most likely huge legal issues but do you think we can do it or not? just curious and wondering... 06abrahb 09:13, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I sent a request to add you on my Steam. My username is -=ZOM=- I Love CEDA and account name is still the same as here... thanks! 06abrahb 03:55, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Achievements(or Badges) on Wikia
I noticed that the Mortal Kombat Wiki has achievements(or badges, you can call them that). That got me thinking, this wiki could have badges. What do you think? Here's a link. Zombiekiller14  AWESOME!!  13:28, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Survival horror footer
Hi, would you be interested in becoming part of Wikia's survival horror webring? All you have to do is place this template at the bottom of the homepage:

What it does is help link together similar wikias, and help people navigate them. Thanks! AlexShepherd 08:59, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

You know...
Maybe you should have checked the history of that page before issueing me a "warning". It was filled with some random, racist bullcrap like "I like nigger cock" etc. and nude pictures that I then edited and replaced only the dirty words with nicer ones to clean it up, like turning the aforementioned sentence into "I like rainbows and butterflies". I then went through the same vandalist's history and fixed the various other crap edits he made. Thanks...

Alexandersig 22:37, February 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Mister, I don't like your attitude. What's wrong with removing racially offensive and vulgar words from a troll(ed) user page? The fact remains that the condition I left the page in was vastly superior than it was before so if you don't want me doing that then ban me. At first I assumed that it wasn't a vandal and the actual user was a racist bastard so I decided to have a little non-offensive fun, if I had known I would have rollbacked it.


 * I hope this post doesn't come off as hostile, that's not my intention.


 * --Alexandersig 23:35, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hu..
What are you even talking about. Harasing, are you even talking to the person you want to what did I do wrong. I simply sain that he can delete my other acount because HE ASKED IT. About the other acount I said I dont care because its not mine and none of my business. Xrisimopiise to mialo sou. Left4Deadseries FAN 14:06, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Jo, don't mind the above, that's because I moved the warning from his first account to his newest one, including the post why he got the warning in the first place. Sera404 14:43, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

CategoriesCategoriesCategoriesCategories
You may have noticed that I've been obsessed with categories lately, and I've just gotten another idea, but I'd like to lay out my plan before I start spamming up the recent changes page again.

It's about the Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 categories. I started removing subcategories that aren't entirely exclusive to either game, like the campaigns category, and then also individual articles; but I changed my mind. I want to put articles that pertain to one of the games, even partially, in the respective game's category to have a full picture of what's available in each game. Just not subcategories since they tend to be misleading, unless the entire category is available in and exclusive to said game (like the melee weapons).

I'd rather not categorise campaign chapters this way, nor story elements, because that will only be clutter. Instead, I think I'll make a category for all story-related articles and file it under Content.

Is this okay with you? Do you have a better idea? Do you even care about categories? Monojin 14:29, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, that's cool. Monojin 12:15, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
Hey. Sorry I was a dickbutt. I've unblocked you, but it would seem you've blocked me, too. --Cleveland Rock 21:38, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Pleased to meet you
Hello Jo. I've been searching through this wiki for about a year now. I found your profile and decided to read a little more about you. The thing that caught my interesst is that you want to be a Game Designer. I share the same dream and this Wikia can help me make a start. I normally go to areas of the wiki that need testing and get a friend or two to help me test. I own both PC and Xbox 360 versions of Left 4 Dead 1 and 2. You'll see me post every once in a while after i've finished testing the certain pages that do need testing. If your interessted just add me on Steam, it's where I mostly spend most of my time. Check out my profile page for more information about me. Hope things go well with your dream. EarlyExecuter 18:30, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Left 4 Dead 3
Have there been any news on Left 4 Dead 3. Cause it 2011 and since 2009 nothing has been said. Left4Deadseries FAN 14:28, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Do You Have Xbox Live Or Just Steam?

I Have Xbox Live And Steam, But I Only Play Team Fortress 2 On Steam (Do To It Being Officialy Free). However I Am Not Going To Be On Steam Anymore Due To Lag And Getting-Hacked Risks. ( :

Cold Stream is an OFFICIAL campaign
Reasons why Cold Stream is considered an Official campaign and should be allowed in the Official Campaign template:

-Yes Valve isn't developing (actually see below, they are actually helping Mathew with its creation thus they do have a degree of creative development with the campaign) it but they are PUBLISHING / DISTRIBUTING it, that automatically gives it status as an official campaign. The logic behind it not being made by Valve doesn't compute, the Sacrifice DLC was outsourced to a third party which was Turtle Rock Studios, this was after they and valve had split thus it can't be considered as Valve itself creating it, but they paid someone else to create it. The same thing can be said for Cold Stream, Valve outsourced to Matthew Lourdelet in which he himself will get paid as well (royalties)

- If Valve themselves notes it as being an official DLC, that obviously means it's an official campaign.

-It is coming to the Xbox 360 as paid content; customs are not available for the 360. Valve would never allow people to sell their customs as its against the user agreement nor can valve take customs and sell it themselves. Valve has  ownership  over the campaign which is why they are able to distribute it with its creator also getting paid royalties.

-It is listed beside official campaigns within the menus; unofficial campaigns are placed in the Add-on section menu

-It is a MANDATORY update, all users had to download it if they wished to continue playing the game online which is only done for official campaigns, customs are completely optional.

-It is called a community campaign for a reason and not a custom campaign. Community is used as emphasis in that all those within the left 4 Dead community may input ideas (mainly through the official forums) and be a part of its creation.

-It has its own specific achievements which are something that can only be implemented by Valve itself.

-Valve are officially releasing it along side four other official campaigns.

-Though it’s made by a person who previously did user created campaigns, the Cold Stream creation process is overlooked by Valves teams who not only put it on its official servers but have also created an OFFICIAL forum specifically to discuss the campaign.

- Story has nothing to do with it being official, Last Stand is considered non-canon just as much as Cold Stream

"The very first step in creating a new DLC is deciding on the larger goals and constraints for the DLC. The Sacrifice and the Passing were story heavy, so we want to see what the other end of the spectrum looks like. For this DLC we start with wanting to experiment by releasing a map pack that wasn’t about story" - Valve Blog

It seems they were intent on making a DLC that wasn't about story (which is what Cold Stream is for), so if valve itself created one that was non-canon, you’re saying it should not be in the template. This paragraph also supports them considering Cold Stream as official DLC. They even mention it parallel to Passing and Sacrifice

- It been in the template for months with no one disputing until now, I believe the consensus already believes it to be official and the reasons I gave not only shows that it is an official campaign but Valve itself considers it one. Funnysheep 08:44, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

"To add to the fun we often give out prizes for participating. Since Cold Stream is not just being developed  internally but also with the community - we want the community to help pound on the campaign and look for bugs."

"The Cold Stream DLC, which has been in beta testing for a few months now on PC and Mac, is a collaborative project between Valve and the Left 4 Dead community."

"It started life as a community campaign created by modder Matthew Lourdelet before catching the eye of the folks at Valve who then decided to jump in, buff it up and give it a full release."

 "While we are still tweaking Cold Stream and making some game play changes, we really want people to pound on the Cold Stream maps and help us find any bugs. "

- From Various articeles released on the official L4D blog

It seems that Valve ARE working on developing the map along with Lourdelet, it might of started out as a community made custom but clearly Valve is now working on it as well to help for a full OFFICIAL release thus is considered an official campaign.

Funnysheep 10:17, July 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, you see, THIS is a valid argument. Having an edit war isn't. :P And yeah, no one disputed it cause hardly anyone was really around (staff wise). I've been busy doing other things (LOLwat? Real life? Blasphemy.) so I've been out of the Left 4 Dead loop. I come back and see a new campaign and see it is considered "custom" and not made by Valve, of course I rip it off the template. While your argument is valid, and I will add it back to the template, there are a few things:
 * Turtle Rock originally owned Left 4 Dead before Valve bought them out so they count for ownership whether they work with Valve or not.
 * Secondly, I had always assumed (cause somewhere it had said) Valve distributed (or had planned to distribute) custom campaigns to the Xbox players. They felt it wasn't fair that PC players got all these extra campaigns when Xbox players didn't.
 * As for The Last Stand: It's not canon ending-wise, but Chet has said that it could be considered the Survivors took a "wrong turn" somewhere during Death Toll. So it's not a complete hyoid from the rest of the game. It's more like a split end that doesn't go anywhere.


 * Thanks for presenting a valid argument rather than "RRAWWWGGH YOU BITCH!! HOW DARE YOU TAKE COLD STREAM OFF THE TEMPLATE!! >:U I WILL RAPE YOUR MOTHER AND KILL YOUR FATHER AND EAT YOUR OFFSPRING UNTIL YOU DIE IN A FIRE!!" :P Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:39, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, it's nice to see that you have a sense of humor, sorry if I sounded a bit condescending above.
 * I'm also wondering if it is possible for you to add Cold Stream to the main page (due to it being protected) where it lists the games campaigns along with the small image for them, but that's up to you.
 * Funnysheep 18:35, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The deed is done. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  20:37, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, it's nice to see that you have a sense of humor, sorry if I sounded a bit condescending above.
 * I'm also wondering if it is possible for you to add Cold Stream to the main page (due to it being protected) where it lists the games campaigns along with the small image for them, but that's up to you.
 * Funnysheep 18:35, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The deed is done. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  20:37, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm also wondering if it is possible for you to add Cold Stream to the main page (due to it being protected) where it lists the games campaigns along with the small image for them, but that's up to you.
 * Funnysheep 18:35, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The deed is done. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  20:37, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Funnysheep 18:35, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The deed is done. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  20:37, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

"Add a photo to this gallery"
On the "Add a photo to this gallery" section of pages, any time I reach the point where there's the button that says "Upload photo," as opposed to picking a picture from the recently uploaded etc., the "Upload photo" button doesn't work for me. I'm running on Internet Explorer 8, and it doesn't work in compatability mode or in normal mode. Any suggestions, please? Thanks!

Jordan Woolf 19:43, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't typically mess with galleries. So I dunno. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  02:39, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Better Pics
Thank you very much! As I was saying to 06abrahb, I really appreciate it and I'm happy to help; plus, I have that same OCD going about how low-resolution the pictures are or that they have their HUD's in them. So I'll keep putting them up! Hey, did you guys ever get back to me on the Janitor position for this Wikia? Thanks!

Jordan Woolf 06:54, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would gladly take up either job, and even more gladly, take up both! Thanks for letting me know about the other job, too, and I'm glad to have proved myself on this Wiki :) So I just put in a request for visual editor on the jobs page, too? If so, what's the page link to that again? Thank you so much!

Jordan Woolf 18:53, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you guys so much! I will continue to keep up the good work and I am happy to be recognized on this Wiki. Thank you both!

Jordan Woolf 20:17, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, the Userboxes!

Jordan Woolf 23:29, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

L4D2's Smoker tongue range has not been reduced from L4D1's Smoker
In both games, if you open the console and type in tongue_range then it's 750 in both games thus proving the tongue range has not been reduced in L4D2 compared to L4D1 Smoker. You can even test it out in game and see both tongue ranges are identical.

HEADSHOTDEALER 14:01, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hunter's punce range and damage rate is identical in both L4D games
Test it out in both games and the range and damage both Hunters deal is exactly the same. There are no differences between the pounce range and damage for the Hunter in both L4D games.

HEADSHOTDEALER 14:05, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Long time, no speak
Ohai there Jo, it's me, NeloAngelo97, from ages ago :D Stealth Cl0wn 23:40, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hunter Barrel-Roll Animation
Hey dude,

your hunter barell roll animation is really cool, and I was wondering if it was on deviantart, becouse i couldnt find it.

so i uploaded it on my accout BUT it says (I DO NOT OWN THIS, I found this in wiki left 4 dead and i thought it was pertty cool) and post a link to the creator, but by your permission 'you have to let me know if you will let me or not." becouse i didn't know how to reach you, to ask.

So, if its already uploaded then i'll take it off.

If you don't want it uploaded then I'll take it off.

If you do wanted there then, thanks. I'll be sure to let people know YOU created it. :D

"just trying to spread the art"
 * I don't own it either. It truly belongs to Valve. So you've neither my permission, nor Valve's to post it. I feel I must inform you, no matter how futile it is, that Deviantart is not photobucket. It's not a place for you to just upload whatever image you find online. It's only for original pieces by artists. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  19:07, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, its off and thanks for informing me :)
 * Ok, its off and thanks for informing me :)

I Created this article, Left 4 Dead and The Crazies
i created this suspenseful article and mashed-up with left 4 dead's survivor who landed on a friendliest place called Odgen Marsh a fictional town from The Crazies.
 * Yeah, you shouldn't do that. This isn't the kind of place for your fan fiction. This is for things that actually go on in the series or are recognized by Valve. If you'd like to write a fan fiction, you can always go to Fanfiction.net. They'll be happy to have you. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:07, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah thank for saying internet website, it because i never do anything that right, a by a crazies hunter, the hunter may use a assault rifle and machine gun, he could incapp the survivor immediately.

Template Removal
Sorry about removing it too often. I didn't know it was that big of a deal ;)

Thanks, AteAlive 22:25, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's got the rules and guidelines on it. I'd like to prevent people from removing it cause it makes it look like they're disregarding the rules. So if they have any simple questions, they can find it right there on their talk page. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  22:43, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

My talk page
Why did you revert my changes to my talk page? Am I required to leave that giant introduction table in it?

Padge61 23:46, August 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Read above post AteAlive 00:09, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, you too? Padge61 01:32, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's not that I intend to disregard the rules, but I don't need a copy inlined into my talk page to know what they are. I read them, and I kept the template in there as comment in case I needed to refer back to it. (I shouldn't; they should be linked up someplace obvious and easy-to-find.)

To be honest, I find the position that they need to be constantly visible on one's talk page a little condescending, like we're kindergartners not to be trusted to manage ourselves and behave, and somehow having that billboard in our talk page is somehow going to define our intentions.

Here's an idea: Add an, "I read the rules, " userbox to the list of userboxes, then inform users -- at the end of the rules -- that they may remove that giant panel from their talk page if they add the, "I read the rules," userbox to their personal profile.

This also raises the question, "Who's space is a user talk page?" Obviously, everything belongs to the admins -- as it should be. However, I would expect that the same absolute administrative control (within the limits outlined in the rules) be afforded to users everything within that user's domain (i.e. profile page, user talk page, etc.), and wiki administrators -- to whom all users' pages also belong -- respect any changes made their as they would any changes another administrator makes to a main page.

In short, if there's something there I don't like (e.g. someone unconstructively detracting from keyboard and mouse input -- something not explicitly covered in the general rules but certainly something that doesn't belong on my page), I will delete it brutally and might provide an explanation and expect that none be expected. I would also expect that other users maintain their talk pages similarly, and believe that to edit there is to be a guest in someone else's home and so the need for additional diplomacy is indicated.

Padge61 01:32, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but no. Everyone is required to wear the welcome page on their talk page regardless of title, status, et cetera. You claim to have read the rules. However, considering you continue to remove the template, it seems as though you have little respect for our guidelines here, and as an admin I cannot tolerate that. If you were required to wear a uniform to work, you would not question your employer with the same attitude you've presented to me, would you? If you would, that's despicable, and you should really be ashamed. You don't have to like the template, but I would expect you to at least have some respect for the rules we follow here. Signed - Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  02:27, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I did read the rules, and it does not say I have to keep that table in my talk page. In fact, it specifically says that I'm free to edit my user page (which, as the wikipedia page on user pages to which it links indicates, includes the talk page) however I wish. So it is not by the rules, but by your edict alone that I must leave that ugly table on my talk page.
 * I would also point out that you specifically said that everyone... regardless of title, status, et cetera(which includes you) is required to wear the welcome table on their talk page, but you do not. So you are demonstrating the exact same lack of respect of which you are accusing me.
 * I understand that you want us to have a convenient way to review the rules. So link them to the main page, or close to it. I do not expect to find the rules in my talk page any more than I expect to find my car keys in the refrigerator.
 * Finally, I think your analogy is a little inaccurate. Wearing a uniform is a reasonable measure for an employee to require of their employees, just as refraining from racism and vandalism are reasonable measures for admins to expect of content editors. But to extend the analogy of employers, I find the requirement to keep our table in our talk page to be more like being required to wear the employee handbook around our neck every day we work. Every place where I've worked issued their employees a handbook once when they first hired on, but so long as they abode by its contents they did not care if they used it for toilet paper thereafter. If an employer did require me to wear the employee handbook around my neck every day I work, I would feel belittled and I would not work for them long. It seems as if you are trying to force us to obey the rules by forcing us to wear the book -- but make no mistake, everyone who obeys the rules does so because they chose to, not because the rule book forced them to. We are content editors -- we know where to find the rules if we need them.
 * I like Left 4 Dead, and use this wiki as a source of knowledge often. I have the literacy and patience to contribute, edit, and verify content and I'm excited to do so. I am not asking for much -- just to be able to decorate my space as I see fit. In fact, I'm not asking for anything that has not already been promised to me. It is you who is not upholding the promises set forth in the rules, and not obeying your own edict.
 * I invite you to review the rules yourself to see what I mean. I have linked them here for your convenience, since they are not on a table at the beginning of your own talk page.
 * Padge61 03:32, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I do have my welcome template still. :D Plus I helped write the rules, I know what they say. :P Aside from that, you can decorate your space however you please. (well not however, necessarily. But within reason.) I didn't think I was asking too much to have users have a welcome template until you seemed to want to rebel against it. So now that it has become an issue, I guess I'll have to amend the rules. Have a nice night~ Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  04:02, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I apologize for missing the introduction table on your talk page; I had assumed Archive 4 would be the oldest because of it's position on the page.
 * I don't have any burning desire to rebel, but I don't want that demeaning eye-sore on my talk page either. It's not that big of a deal for me to leave it nor for you to allow me to remove it. But my claim that you did not have it on your talk page is not among my reasons why we shouldn't be required to leave it. In summary, my reasons are:
 * It's my private account area.
 * It's not a logical place to reference the rules.
 * Having them there doesn't mean I agree to nor cause me to abide by them.
 * Not having them there doesn't mean I don't agree to nor cause me to fail to abide by them.
 * Being coerced to leave it there is demeaning.
 * If what is at issue really is looking like I'm disregarding the rules, then please let me assure you personally, here, now, that it is my intention to abide by them to the fullest of my ability, and that if I need to reference them I will be able to find them again in the future. May I please take that thing off my talk page now? Pretty please?


 * Padge61 04:54, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no. If I allowed you to, others might try to slip past the rules as well. If it really bothers you, you can archive your page and start anew, keeping the template in an archive like I've done. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  05:06, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * While you were busy writing that, I was busy doing exactly what you suggested, which seems like a very reasonable (and acceptable to me) compromise.
 * But I wasn't asking for special treatment either -- I don't think you should require anybody to keep this thing on their talk page; it's not really the rules yet, and I humbly beg that you do not amend the rules to make it so. I understand that you had a hand in shaping the rules, and so I'm asking you to please consider my perspective and discuss with the other admins before deciding. Changing the rules is a big deal, and I'd urge you not to simply do so unilaterally. The fuss I'm making (as well as the fact that I'm not alone in my desire to ditch the table) should be your indicator that what you are proposing is not as easy of a pill to swallow for us as you had originally imagined. It might not seem like a big deal to you, but it doesn't seem to mean the same thing to you as it does to us. It seems like that to you that it's a symbol of our intention to obey the rules. To me, simply my participation in the wiki is that. But that we must retain the table is a demeaning collar to be worn around our necks with the rules written on them -- a symbol that we non-admins cannot be trusted and we need daily reminders to behave ourselves because we are not fit to govern ourselves. It's also a reminder that we really don't have any space on here to call our own. And so I beg of you please, do not legislate this unilaterally and without at least some degree of consensus with the other admins, and without my perspective given due consideration.
 * If we break the rules, by all means we should be disciplined. Please don't make us wear the rules around our necks.
 * Padge61 05:51, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I had already discussed it with another admin and they agree it should stay. It's not really "around your neck". It's not like it's flashing in big bold letters on every page you visit, with Big Brother monitors watching your every move. It's only your talk, and it seems like a common rule among many wikis to keep the welcome template untouched. Besides, it's not uncommon for work places to remind workers of the rules occasionally. :P Like how there's a sign in the restrooms that says "All employees MUST wash hands before returning to work!" No one's going to say, "YES I KNOW I HAVE TO WASH MY HANDS! D: WHY MUST YOU REMIND ME!?" Hehe. :P Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  06:04, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Why are you deleting my work?
Why did you delete my Citation Needed template?

50.90.150.200 22:00, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

^ Me.

Nevermind. I hadn't realized I was not logged in when I created the page.

I'll be more diligent in the future.


 * I don't see why we need a citation needed page. We provide proof of everything we post, and what we don't is common knowledge. If there is no citation, we tend to hide or remove the information until proof is presented. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  23:27, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * There are a few claims I think are dubious that do not have proof provided, nor are they easily observable/verifiable.
 * One specifically, that the director gives you more health packs if you heal each other. The others I can't remember off-hand.
 * A lot of things become "common knowledge" that are merely hearsay. I just want to ensure that for a claim such as that one, there's some evidence that work was done to verify it especially in a manner that goes beyond casual observation.
 * "New technology dubbed "the AI Director" is used to generate a unique gameplay experience every time you play. The Director tailors the frequency and ferocity of the zombie attacks to your performance, putting you in the middle of a fast-paced, but not overwhelming, Hollywood horror movie." This also includes the frequency and quality of health aide. The Director generally just decides how hard, or how easy your game will be. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  03:51, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Quick heads-up
Just thought I'd let you know I applied for adminship. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 23:31, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hi!
I just wanted to say hello sooooo... Hi!

ZombieKitten 07:55, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Creator consent
Hello,

You deleted my pages (fubar, mace and flamethrower) because I didn't show the author's consent.

The authors told me they was agree before I created the pages but this wasn't official.

So, please, tell me how to make it official and how to show it in Left 4 Dead Wiki (in the pages) to be able to un-delete my pages and also how to un-delete them.

Thank you in advance for your answer.

PS: I was just trying to add informations into this wikia.

Consent for Fubar/Mace/Flamethrower articles
I am one half of the team that produced the Fubar, Mace, and Flamethrower, and on behalf of the team, I give full consent to have these articles posted. I'd also like to be given access to modify the articles. If there's anything else needed to make this official, please let me know.

Thanks,

StayPuftL4D2 17:39, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for giving permission. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  21:22, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Author's consent about the creation of pages about his custom weapons
Hello,

You deleted my pages because I didn't show the author's consent.

You told me a screenshot showing it would be enough, so here is the link showing the author's consent about it (I surrounded in red my question and I surrounded in blue his answer):

So tell me if I'm able to create back the following articles: mace, fubar and flamethrower.

And also, tell me if I have to show the link of the screenshot showing the author's consent in the pages I told you about before.

Thank you in advance for your answer.
 * Yup, he messaged before you. Pages have been restored. ;) Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  21:22, August 22, 2011 (UTC)