Talk:The Passing

Fuck. Yes. Nelo Angelo 97 20:44, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Indeed.

Hopefully the original survivors can be used in the other 5 campaigns aswell Regulust 00:06, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Bitchin'!

Ha Biskey!

I wept tears of joy. Ryo626 00:25, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Bloodly Brillient I must say. Cant wait. (knee_slap) 20:41, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Cant wait for some hot Zoey on Rochelle action!-I mean, defib and healing. *ahem* 24.87.4.53 03:19, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

The fallen survivor's gunna be in it! YES! I knew it! I'm so happy! Andy Brubaker 07:08, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, we can't play as the originals? ...S-screw you, Valve.

I'm gonna go curl up and die now. Ryo626 02:52, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Why can't we play as the old survivers in all the other campains? like, be able to choose 1 of 8 for an online campaign to mix it up (like, Louis, Ellis, Bill, and Rochelle or somthing?) or even choose one for just a single player game. Idk why they couldn't just do that, i know it would make tons of people happy. dissapointed in valve bigtime.

left4dead 1 was the first time valve has made a dlc, survivor dlc was awsome,crashcource was ok. left4dead2 even more disapointing with this dlc cause for the longest time we all thought valve was gona let us play as the old suvivors.(wrong!) valve needs to get there act together NOW!!!

Halflife2guy 16:39, March 2, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy

I'm pretty sure that Valve didn't add the L4D1 survivors in Left 4 Dead 2 because of balanced gameplay... because if you think about it, most people would fight over and argue to play as the L4D1 survivors (And don't deny this, people have fought for far less) rather than play L4D2 survivors.... besides, if we could play L4D1 survivors in Left 4 Dead 2, that would make the Left 4 Dead 1 game obselete since the L4D1 survivors are in Left 4 Dead 2, and all further attention (Patches, DLC, etc.) would go into Left 4 Dead 2. NewbieSim 03:55, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think Valve actually made a really smart choice in not letting us play as the originals in The Passing. I agree with what the person above me said, and I'm also excited that Bill, Francis, Louis, and Zoey get a whole new campaign of their own! Nightmirage 04:00, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I can see this coversation after the DLC is released....
Bill: The subway station can take us to Mercy Hospital; Theres a re-

Rochelle: Bill honey can this wait please?

Francis: I hate subways.

Ellis: Well, one time I wuz with ma friend Keith, we were flying a Chocolate Helicopter, Keith was piloting it with Chicago Ted, and we flew over a subway to a hospital!

Francis: I hate Ellis.

Ill97's conversation

Nick: Hey, Hillbilly 2.0

Francis: Hey, stupid dude who picked a tux, I hate tux's

Bill & Coach: Concealed chuckle*

Zoey: Hey louis ! Check out this weird barf bottle! EW!

Louis: Thats just wrong ....

Ellis, this is how its works silly!


 * Takes it and throws it out of their group

Rochelle: You nincompoop! Raises gun*

Everyone takes the notion and has old fashioned zombie killing fun.

So, add your conversations :D.

Horribly off topic and was even posted before!

Okay, I'm sorry, but I love that template. Ryo626 02:09, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sure It Is Between Dead Center and Dark Carnival?
Don't they just driving from Dead Center to Dark Carnival? Like the only thing I can see is they stop for gas for the race car but that is taking the Hard Rain campaign idea? --Sinic20 04:06, December 15, 2009 (UTC)Sinic20


 * ""The Passing" takes place just after the Dead Center campaign of L4D2." Think of it this way. Say you end Dead Center with no health kits and low ammo. Where did the first aid from the beginning of Dark Carnival come from? :P Also food. Eating is fine too. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  04:07, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually it makes a lot of sense being between Dead Center and Dark Carnival, you know... the L4D2 Survivors call the SI all these weird names, Jumper, Puker, etc., and it's not until they meet up with the L4D1 Survivors that they learn the correct names from them, Hunter, Boomer, and so on... As for why do they have to stop the car, I frankly have no idea why it may be DeathBlade182 09:42, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * In the thrid and fourth levels of Dead Center, they call them the correct names...--'Iron Tacoz 450 RO A R! 20:33, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seriously? Never noticed it :/ DeathBlade182 03:34, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Pointing it out because you said they dont call them the right names until after they meet the L4D Survivors.--'Iron Tacoz 450 RO A R! 05:16, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

It could be called "the passing" for a reason, they could possibly drive by the other survivors and then stop and join up with them. where to get weapons or ammo or health they take two different paths where occasionally throughout the level they run into each other. just a suggestion. JaymzHunter 22:39, December 15, 2009 (UTC) JaymzHunter

Maybe they see the L4D survivors, stop and walk with them, and then have something really bad happens to seperate the groups, so they go back to the car in hard rain fashion.Purplemonkey55 22:39, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

No, what happens is the l4d2 survivors are driving, they run over the original survivors, and THE END! User:Toastwolf117


 * Lol, totally worth the $6.25 it'll be to buy it.--'Iron Tacoz 450 RO A R! 01:15, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * If they die I'll throw my 360 through a window (yeah, 'cause that'll have no downside). I like the original survivors. Imperialscouts 04:04, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * While a Hard Rain like scenario is most likely, it could be something else. For example The survivors could have to lower a bridge in order to continue to drive the car to New Orleans. The finale would consist of lowering the bridge followed by the surivors running back to the car. Altriitivly, a large obstical could be in the cars way so they decide to go on foot, then they discover a way to destroy the obstical in order to drive the car again.--Verno 22:20, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Here's my idea. Maybe the new survivors are driving by, when they notice the old survivors. The old survivors need help, so the new survivors leave the car behind to help the old survivors, each chapter they save a different survivor, and the finale would be caused by the original survivors escape vehicle (piloted by Chicago Ted) but the new survivors take too long and Ted brings the original survivors to safety as the new survivors simply have to escape to their vehicle. Which for some reason is very close by, perhaps the whole campaign was a large circle. There was no backtracking, they just somehow ended up where they started. --LazyLord777 00:36, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * WHy does everyone love Chicago Ted so much? He has one thing in either games, yet so many people think he is the best. He made one comment that anyone could. He's not that big of a deal. He's probably dead, anyway.--'Iron Tacoz <font color="SaddleBrown">450 <font color="Olive">RO <font color="LightGrey">A <font color="Indigo">R! 00:32, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't like him. I was trying to think of someone from the first game who wasn't definately dead who could save the original survivors. --LazyLord777 00:55, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally, i'm thrilled at being able to play the original survivors again or at least see them.(Maybe they will have new skins, like scars and injuries)BUT, there is one thing on my mind. The passing is set in between Dead Center and Dark Carnival and the l4d2 survivors meet the original survivors. Then why aren't Bill, Zoey, Louis and Francis in the car with Ellis, Coach, Nick and Rochlle at the beginning of Dark Carnival. Does that mean they will die in the finale? *GASP!* Sabrelord 11:56, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Or it could be that Jimmy Gibb's car only has 4 seats. I'm sure there will be a reason, don't worry. :) Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  11:23, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * A car like that only has two seats. They would hardly be able to fit 4 people in a 1970 look-a-like race car let alone 8 people plus weapons and equipment. Jus' sayin' - EB683


 * Actually, if it is a racecar it would only have a drivers seat. The rest would be taken up by fuel cells and the rollcage. Also, this is a car from the `70's, it's freakin huge. If it were a an unmodified Charger it would have a split bench seat in front or 2 buckets(depending on year and options)and a bench in back, meaning 5 or 6 could ride in relative comfort. The trunk is plenty large enough for all their equipment and/or sneaking up to 3 people into the Drive-in. 8 people would not be much of a stretch, Zoey and Ro could sit on laps. Of course in the event that thousands of blood-thirsty zombies were chasing me I'd be happy to squeeze into a Yugo to get away.--JiNX Bloodfang 07:40, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's my ide-r. The new survivors are driv'n down that there high way till they come up to a barricaded road. They decided to walk around on foot to lower the barrier and allow the car to cross (Crescendo Event). However, Ellis left the car running which wasted all the gas. So they have to find more gas cans in the surrounding area, preferablly the gas station 2 miles ahead. On their way, they run into the old survivors who agree to help find gas (more people, more gas to carry). They must cross through a small town to get to the gas station, running into more zombies and shit. They get the gas, go back an alternative way, fuel up the car, and drive away. Now, I don't know how exactly they're gonna make it so the old survivors don't come with unless they make a cutscene (which goes against the entire game), and since there might be 8 player co-op the people playing the old survivors aren't expected to participate in the events expected for the seperation. I don't know

I agree. Yeah, put in a thing that'll block their way. But i think that it should be that the new survivors have no idea where to go or where they are. But the old survivors offer to help, if the new survivors can help them with a little vehicle trouble. Seeing as Eliis is a mechanic, the old survivors can also have an escape vehicle, once the vehicle is fixed the new survivors make a run for it back to their car (they take a shortcut rather than backtracking) which will be what i'd call a "Rolling Finale" like valve calls the new crescendo events, "Rolling Crescendos", and the old survivors will stay in their vehicle safe, while the infected attack the new survivors on their way. And once the new survivors reach the rescue vehicle, both leave in different directions. (probably not in the direction of dead center.) What ya guys think? I think it's a good idea. --CHARG3R 23:56, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a good add on to my idea, but keep in mind that there may be an 8 player co-op for the survivors. We can't expect each group to go in seperate directions as they might be expected to stay together or goof off as most online assholes do. Unless of course the game splits them up so that there is no way for either group to be in physical contact with the other. The only way to communicate with eachother could be through a wall or an intercom. Or maybe the escape vehicles for both groups can be located in the same area so that if sticking to together is the tactic, they can all finish the game in the same area and time. I don't know what to expect

Okay, crazy idea from me but maybe this rural town is somekinda makeshift civilian evacuation camp that was overrun by the infection, so the Survivors are trying to get through while not only salvaging supplies but also trying to get through many blockades designed to halt the Infected. Like, one scenario could be to find explosives scattered around a part of town to blow up a blockade, or opening a gate or something along those lines. As for the car, they could park it on the outskirts of town or summat, so they take a route into town, blowing up barricades and stuff, rest in a turning point safe room, but because of the damage they did to prevent the Infection from slowing them down, they have to take a different route back to the car. If this does happen, then the game could give them Tier 2 weapons to start with, but as they take the route back they'll find limited ammo piles and mostly Tier 1 weapons, which would explain why they have em at the start of Dark Carnival. I have no theories on how the old Survivors wound up there, other than that the hideout they were goin to was overrun and they hijacked an APC or something to escape, and they follow military and CEDA maps to New Orleans. But in matter of fact, if Valve omitted the helicopter wreck from Swamp Fever, then it would have been more effective to put the Passing between Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever. Good ideas? --User:BRogue XDeth 14:04, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yes! Thats it! Make it so it's like Hard Rain, and you have to backtrack. The survivors get stuck from like a bridge that needs lowering or something, they get rid of whatever stands in the way. And on they meet with the old survivors that decide to help them and then you go back, but something happens when they get back, like in ridding themselves of the original barricade, they make another in the process, so they have to do something to get back to the car, but it triggers a finale like The Parish, where they have to run back to the car. And make a separate vehicle for the old survivors to get away in. Maybe then later valve can add a campaign for the old survivors after they have met with the new ones. Whether it's in L4D1 or L4D2, I dunno. I don't want them to stop working with the original.CHARG3R 00:26, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

My idea for how they escape is that there is a plane that's going to leave and go to Arizona, and all of the Survivors fights against the horde when trying to get gas for the plane. However, the plane could only carry four more Survivors, and the new Survivors decides to let the old Survivors go on the plane. Then the Survivors find out that the had gone in a complete circle: they see Jimmy Gibbs Jr's car (I thought of this, since the Survivors come in by car in Dark Carnival) exactly where they left it: in the middle of the road, out of gas. So they get the gas they originally got for the plane to fuel their car, and in the end, they drive off yet again. - Koopster 64 Febuary 20th

Good Questions Here
I understand no one knows any more about this than I do, but I was wondering: How is this going to work? It's always been only four playable people at a time. So, will the L4D Survivors be AI all the time? Be playable in a new mode for eight players? Will we only be able to play as the L4D2 Survivors, or will the originals be playable also? Will this inlude the "More info on how the Infecttion started" that Valve promised us? (This part I don't really care about as much): Will they find more graffitti by Chicago Ted? Will the originals use melee weapons? (I know that seems like an odd question, but I just feel that there is a different feeling from both generations of Survivors. The L4D2 ones seem to be fine with getting covered in blood, like from a Chainsaw or Axe. But Bill, Louis, Francis, and Zoey seem to have a different air around them, being that they would be disgusted by being covered in blood, when the Coach, Nick, Ellis, and Rochelle never make a comment about it. Can't explain it, don't ask me.) Will the originals be surprised to see the new SI? Will they already have encountered them? Or will they be totally new to them, like the L4D2 ones were to all Infected at the beginning of Dead Center, and be like "What the hell is that green thing?". Will this download make the L4D2 Survivors mention the originals later on in Dark Carnival or other campaigns? And, finally, will it explain why the original Survivor team is down South in the first place? If they were rescued at the end of Blood Harvest, why are they now down South? And, how will there dissapearance for the rest of the game be explained? Will they have been rescued for good? And, if so, why wouldn't the L4D2 Survivors be rescued as well? Will the go their seperate ways? They would definately have to explain why. If you are in a zombie apocalypse, don't you think a team of eight is better than four? Or, will they simply just die? I hope it doesn't come to that... Thanks for reading (If you did).--<font color="DimGray">'Iron Tacoz <font color="SaddleBrown">450 <font color="Olive">RO <font color="LightGrey">A <font color="Indigo">R! 05:24, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I want to know about VS and Scavenge, will they be 8 v 8? How crazy would that be? What I want most though is to have the L4D maps available to play with the new infected. I'm betting that one will be with the GOTY if at all.--JiNX Bloodfang 20:25, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow... gets you to think. I think that maybe you choose which survivors you play as, to keep 4v4. I dont think melee weapons will be a problem, all survivors should be able to use them. I think that the L4D2 survivors will have told the L4D survivors of the infected, hence how they learnt the names of previous infected, so maybe they thought of names together. I cant think of explanaitions for all your questions but I can guess that the L4D survivors were maybe getting evaced in the south (since north was infeced) and they then lost their driver. I apologise for spelling and grammar i wrote this on the fly. Galaxy  guy26  (\___/) 13:20, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

If The Passing will have a max of 4 fighting survivors like all the other campaigns, several scenarios could fit the mold.
 * The survivors have to split up in order to complete a common goal. A connections between the 2 survivor teams, like a friendship, could compel survivors to switch sides. So, for example, Nick and Francis might know each other and would want to stick together. Maybe the 2 crews don't trust each other so the switch around survivors in order to make sure each side does what it is suppose to.
 * When the 2 teams meet, an event causes the teams to unwillingly split up and mix up, such as a barrier being created after an explosion.--Verno 20:54, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it will go something like Vs only without the SI, the OS (Old survivors) will need something the NS (New Survivors) have and vice versa. So they work together (one team helps the other team out from a distnce perhaps a sniping minigame?) then once the goal is acheived they go on their seperate paths. Perhaps hinting at future DLC featuring ONLY the OS?? Like an explaination as to how they got down south in the first place. --Formaldehyde 22:49, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Im confused, if theres no 8vs8, then HOW IN THE WORLD IS SCAVANGE AND VERSUS MODE GOING TO WORK OUT?! If we cant play as all 8 survivors, are we going to be able to pick like rochelle nick zoey and louis?? Im confused about that... --xGREENCATx 08:47, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

That's what i wanna know? no 8 v 8 in vs?! so unfair unless it's 4v4 with choice of survivors!--CHARG3R 23:59, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

The simple reason for them being down south, is that if you remember, Evac Point Echo was taken down, and the Army only came back to Evac Echo to pick them up and escort them off to another evac point. At the beginning of dead center, If you go into the map room, the survivors comment the only Evac point left is Nawlins, so the army must have picked them up and taken them down there. How they meet up with the L4D2 team could be a number of reasons. 62.31.74.206 14:37, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Survivor Relationships
Alright, gentlemen. Here's a wacky thought.

What if we get enough communication between the two Survivors to include their relationships on their respective pages? A little flirting between Zoey and Ellis? Perhaps a mutual understanding of each other between Francis and Nick? A great deal of respect shared between Coach and Bill, or even a conflict of leaders? And perhaps, a brother/sister type thing with Louis and Rochelle? Who's to say, really? I bet Valve knows.

It's a funny idea, but there just might be enough information on it. We'll see. -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 18:09, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Jo likes this. :D Jo the Marten  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:12, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I heartily agree. That's why I had to bring it up. ^-^ -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 18:13, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it too. Mr.75  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout11ty/images/5/51/Banhammer.gif 18:14, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Bloody Scottish Fable agrees :B <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 22:14, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ellis/Zoey? Oh please. If Valve pulls that it would be too obvious and contrived. I want to be surprised, not bored to death. Dermeisteristda 23:17, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * COACH/LOUIS OTP. - §tigma-231 �  o <font color="darkolivegreen">ƒ  greed { τalk }{<font color="darkolivegreen">¢ont } 23:23, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL!! Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  23:37, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Read my mind, Stiggs. Read my mind. -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 00:07, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Your mind says onononom <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 00:20, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually my mind says "Peelz he-- Hey! I'm grabbin' this shotg-- Oh man, this is just like Counter-Stri-- HUNTER!" -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 00:25, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Five Dog as a mind? Who knew.  Strong Intelligent 
 * That's cool, as long as there is enough. Three words between people is most certainly not enough. Let's not stretch the whole relationship thing too much. Imperialscouts 05:17, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Not to be a spoiler but Francis and Coach both have the "leader in denial" kinda thing going on there.No doubt francis is going to piss off Ellis or Coach and nick will LAUGH!(EX:I hate Dodge Cars.:P Also I hate your accents i just HATE 'EM (With the enthusiasm we seen in Crash Course))--Ill97 06:35, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Сoach's not in denial. He, actually, is the leader. Nick is too busy with himself, Ellis' just plain timid, and Rochelle... She talks like, onbe time per year. Also, i came up with some conversations, not posting, though, noone's gonna care. WardenerNL, Dec 22, 2009, 11:17

I would have thought that Zoey and Ellis would be firting and Francis gets jelouis, or how in the first chapter of dead center, how they call eachother hey miss and stuff, like how NIck calls Rochelle Sweetie and Babe, if nick starts alling zoey Babe and Sweetie that Francis will get mad. And rochelle and Louis? Lol and Coach gets mad! but what about bill? since his voice actor in Crash course was on vaction, and he never said anything new, mabye BILL will be like the Leader or something. But think of ZOey and Rochelle! 2 girls fighting over the guys, lol, but of course zoey is probily gonna get nick ellis and coach after her, she already Has francis.--xGREENCATx 08:58, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Not Forgetting that Nick's Ring markings match Francis's Tattoo. Anyone wanna wager they were in a gang together at some point? --62.31.74.206 10:26, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Francis was in a gang.. since Nick is like a Convict, Mabye he waas in a gang with francis. I mean he acts like it.--XGREENCATx 08:03, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Achievements
They should make it so if you beat the new campaign, you can unlock the original characters to play in versus
 * Accualy, I think Valve will add acheivements like they added in Crash Course. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 22:12, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well they probly will do that like complete the The Passing or finish a campaign with only L4D1 survivors or something like that.--Lone Wolf21 03:10, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * There probably gonna do it like Crash Course, put 10 to 20 extra acheivements. Also the new uncommon common is going to be interesting. (knee_slap) 20:46, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't Valve already announce that the old survivors will be playable in all the L4D2 campaigns eventually?Drakulas77 07:19, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * actually yeah, i always thought the baseball bat from pre-ordering at gamestop was dumb, i was hoping for the old survivors, so this is a welcome change. Geomexis 08:13, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * i would want the old achievements put back in, or even new ones for the old infected. I think that some of the achievements in L4D2 require alot of set situations (i.e. adrenaline being used to help some one up, and the shock jock) whilst the old ones could be achieved simply over time, (Killing a smoker before he snares you, Lighting witch and tank on fire) im not sure if my examples are good but i thnk theyre alright. Galaxy  guy26  (\___/) 13:30, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Spring
Anyone can tell me in which month The Passing will be released? Because I'm in the South America not in USA. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 00:27, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Give it 4-6 months. I'm in New Zealand, and somewhat sure it's going to be released around my autumn.(we have hot, dry Christmas' here.) --AstralShapeShifter 01:14, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Lolol you silly southern hemisphere-ians. :P Don't worry, sometime in March, April, or May. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  03:42, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

So far what ive heard, if things go well for Valve, it will be released in January.--xGREENCATx 08:59, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

This WILL Happen
The Survivors in L4D1 were going North, not South. This is impossible. XSuperGamer 01:34, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Your face is impossible.  Strong Intelligent 

Dude you dont have to be rude on the wiki so please dont--XIII-DARKNESS 01:26, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

The person above me has no tolerance for jokes. the person above the person above me has no tolerance for people who try to rain on other's parades.

Fatal logical error my friend, they may have been going south but when they were resqued by by the army they were probably forced to go south to get on the cruise ships and go to the only safe place for americans; The ocean. I assume they met because the zombies overran the vehicle they were in or the group.--Prof. 18:22, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Besides that, according to Crash Course, the only remaining evac zones are up north (in PA) and down south, since the one in PA is abandoned by the time the survivors get there, the army would probably try to bring them to the one in the south, however, the zombies (probably a Tank) could've destroyed the truck. --LazyLord777 00:43, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Who says there couldn't be evac zones in Canada? XSuperGamer 01:34, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Who says Canada would even LET a bunch of possibly infected refugees enter their country?Whachamacallit 15:14, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Canada's a VERY big place. No doubt they tried to come to Canada. But they would have to travel VERY far through tough terrain and probably decided to head south instead.(Also to support my theory, Most of the part of canada that connects to America(THE BORDER :P) Is the Canadian Shield, The most badass rocky terrain in THE WORLD)--Ill97 06:29, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the terrain would be tough for the infected too wouldn't it? XSuperGamer 23:05, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Canada still could be infected. mebbe airplanes carrying carriers or bitten people crashed in canada, started the infection and turned our friend in the north into hell. So then, they still could have found a need to go down south.

(I'm Canadian BTW) Well If it went south, Then it went north. We could be fighting them in California in L4D3. I even made A logo for the game. Go fight on a ski resort, Hold out in Winnipig, or just have a good time, eh! CrazyWitchhugger 02:42, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Chapters
Are we sure, or are we just assuming there are five chapters, I don't care if we are, I'm just wondering that's all. I don't want to be disappointed to only have 2 chapters to enjoy the old survivors. --LazyLord777 00:51, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * With as little info we have about it, yeah, we are assuming, I agree though: I hope it has 5 chapters.--<font color="DimGray">'Iron Tacoz <font color="SaddleBrown">450 <font color="Olive">RO <font color="LightGrey">A <font color="Indigo">R! 00:56, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I doubt that it would be five chapters. I expect that it will be two but I'm hoping for at least three or four. Unlikley that it would be anything over three though.Imperialscouts 04:18, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

I think it will be 5 Chapters. If there is still a 4 playable survivors limit and if the campaign does in fact "feature a meet up", then there will have to be enough chapters for all the characters to be playable and be mixed up a bit. Also, I don't think Value would make "the most important campaign in the Left 4 Dead story" less than 5 chapters. However, I wouldn't mind a shorter versus campaign for Left 4 Dead 2, just not with this important meet up storyline. --Verno 22:47, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Better not be like crash course, I was pretty excited for that, but it was too short, and i was dissapointed. No offense Valve.

Verno, wheres the most important quote from? cite? Valve might just punk us again. MrChemyCal 21:06, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

If it's not one of us...
This is a joke, so don't be mad to me because I added this here. In Left 4 Dead, Zoey says: If it's not one of us... kill it. Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 characters have not seen each other before, so the campaign must be really weird, because Zoey kills all new survivors... --ŊυĐε 10:43, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * I doubt she'd kill any of them, they don't look like Helicopter pilots. Fadm tyler 22:22, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it won't be Zoey, but Francis instead! I hear he hates the south. But Nick would be okay with both them, cuz hes in Francis' gang AND shoots helicopter pilots! Purplemonkey55 04:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

But he hasnt shot the pilot yet. :P. Maybe hes following zoeys example of shooting infected pilots in the face. - Ill97

If it ain't A pilot, Hold your fire. Unless Brains are it's Favorite meal. So all Zombies, Pilot's and creepy old guuys beware....CrazyWitchhugger 02:33, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

8vs8 Will not be a Reality [Official]
There is a new article on L4DMods stating that there be no 8vs8 versus games, based on what programmer at Valve said. Personally, I wasn't really surprised or heart broken.--Verno 15:00, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha, me niether. Only way I see that coming is for like the next game in the series. Which shouldn't happen soon. Imperialscouts 18:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

i play 8vs8 matches on the pc so valve is talking bullshit. halflife2guy

How in the world do you play 8 vs 8? Do you mean 4 vs 4 where there are 8 players total? Cause there can't be more than 4 people to a team on Versus at the moment. :| Jo the Marten  ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:23, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, they said on the PC...which means they're using an unofficial mod. If Valve has said there will not be 8 vs 8 multiplayer, they mean it will not be officially added or supported. As such, it would be impossible on the 360, and only possible on the PC through the use of 3rd party mods. Dan Dark 22:03, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

On PC It is possible. I actually used to play in a server of 8 vs 8. Just multiplicate both teams with mods, double the team, double the action, double the jackasses that run for the safehouse/rescue (Bridge L4D2) and leave teammates behind, so I wouldn't care if 8 vs 8 won't be a reality. -- LaZa  08:28, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Theory for Setting
Ellis crashes the car from Dead Center into the evac truck the L4D1 crew are riding in? -Archaeic 21:34, December 22, 2009 (UTC) But if when you start the Dark Carinval one, if you look behind you, there is a truck crashed in the background...
 * The stock car is seen in perfect condition in dark carnival. How would a stock car survive crashing into a armored APC? Imperialscouts 21:49, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * The stock car isn't exactly in perfect condition by Dark Carnival, but it definitely wasn't hit by an armored truck. However, the stock car could almost hit the truck, dodge it, but then crash into something less destructive. Also, the campaign is set in a rural town in Georgia.--Verno 22:55, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Verno's theory.
 * Great, so how did an APC that started out in Allgeny (or something like that) Forest end up in Georgia? Imperialscouts 05:53, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Imperial, they abandoned the Mainland, so they were obviously heading to board the ships. USER:.:.Troubled.:.
 * Ships? They never mentioned any ships, so obviously you are refering theoretical ships. Why couldn't there have been ships closer to where they are? I suppose you could argue that the ships in the North have already left and the ships down south haven't left yet (maybe) because the area wasn't hit as hard. But then why was there a military outpost or whatever that was in the forest if the closest evac was so far dow south? Again, I suppose there is an explaination for that, but everything becomes more and more unlikely the longer this goes on. Also, just for the record I'm not trying to be mean, merely logical. Imperialscouts 06:10, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * He's talking about the cruise ships the military commandeered that hold any Survivors the evacuated out. These ships are in the Gulf of Mexico, and thats where the rescue chopper at the end of The Parish takes them. The reason there probably weren't any ships nearer Pennsylavania is because that area was completely overrun with The Infected, so their wasn't anyone to evac them. That's the ships he was talking about.--<font color="DimGray">'Iron Tacoz <font color="SaddleBrown">450 <font color="Olive">RO <font color="LightGrey">A <font color="Indigo">R! 23:25, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * A possible reason for bringing the survivors down south, according to the map in Crash Course, the only remaining evac zone is the one down south. That and the one in Blood Harvest which by the time the survivors reach it, it is already overrun. --LazyLord777 18:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Well they can't possible Drive in a APC to Georgia. So a helicopter is needed. So another Helicopter crash I guess and The 4 new guys will have to make it to another car lot to find a working car. If it is 4 player only then the other 4 would be in the car. The Finale I need Ideas for...CrazyWitchhugger 02:29, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ive been doing some research on L4D2 (German Version). And I found out some melee weapons that might be in The Passing:

Kinfe Sledge Hammer And I found out about some weapons that we did not get but others did:

SMG AWM SG-552 COMMANDO STEYR SCOUT So theres only going ONE new firearm and ONE new melee weapon.. we'll just wait and see if any of these are it.


 * Two words: Bathroom break. Also, hurrdurr a majority of the weapons you named are for the Germans because they didn't get gore. Even I knew that, and it didn't take "research". 69.12.204.149 23:15, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, 'what ifs' for guns are great; put it in spectulation. also; Bathroom break is agreed. what if they needed gas or something. its happened before. and it could just end up like Gman: you see and interact, but no contact.MrChemyCal 21:03, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Goddamn it...
People, REASEARCH YOUR FACTS. or at least play the game before going "I found this so it proves BLAH BLAGH!" For example, "An interesting note, the voice clips for the Left 4 Dead 2 Survivors informally introducing themselves are already present in the game files. " Has this person not played dead center?! Pull it together people. --AstralShapeShifter 06:53, December 26, 2009 (UTC)(Your not-so friendly wiki-police)

I AGREE WITH AstralShapeShifter! You guys make all this random stuff about the passing IF YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING NEWW About the passing then dont put up random crap!--xGREENCATx 07:13, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * There ARE other pissed-off people here! I shall form an army.--AstralShapeShifter 08:13, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * First, it is "God damn". Second, you guys are looking like those valdals punks. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 15:16, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm elitist, and I admit it. But it MUST get on your nerves when someone posts the obvious... (Heil to the grammar nazi.)--AstralShapeShifter 10:06, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Haha! Ya --xGREENCATx 08:17, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Damn can I relate to this. I was reading over some of the pages (particularly with the witch), and at times I was getting kind of pissed at the articles! I mean, what sort of idiot wrote some of that?! It was insane! Nichtus 08:38, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Haha at Nichtus ya its making me SO PISSED OFF!--xGREENCATx 08:40, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

I find it quite entertaining that these people think they know everything. howver, I do admit it is quite fun to SPECTULATE and not ASSUME!MrChemyCal 20:53, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

8-Man Co-op was not denied
http://www.l4dmods.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=299:8vs8-will-not-be-a-reality&catid=2:news&Itemid=13

There will be no 8v8 Versus, but if there was no 8-Man Co-op, Mike would have said it there and then. --62.31.74.206 10:36, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Ok this has already been posted so this is just usless crap.--xGREENCATx 21:56, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * No...we didn't have reference until this was posted. Stop being rude, Greencat. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  22:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

How in the world am I being rude?--XGREENCATx 07:53, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * "So this is just useless crap" comes off kinda rude. And there's is other stuff too... Imperialscouts 08:02, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Because it was already posted .. oh well--XGREENCATx 08:04, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

From what I've gathered
From what I've gathered, it looks like "The Passing" has something to do with the L4D and L4D:2 crew's helicopter pilot. And them possibly being infected afterwards.

And my gut says it will explain more about these "Carriers" that we hear about at the end of The Parish at the start of the Bridge level. And "Infected Survivors".

Anybody have anything?

Um, no. Also, The Passing takes place between Dead Center and Dark Carnival, so the events of The Parish will not have taken place yet. Nelo Angelo 97 19:26, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

It says it takes between Dead Center and Dark Carnival, So there is no helicopter pilot, its Jimmy Gibbs Jr's car.--Boomette 19:45, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

How Is This Possible?
Okay, didn't the original survivors die at The Last Stand level or something? So isn't it impossible for the New survivors to meet up with the old ones?" Camster103 20:22, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Nope, somewhere I read/heard that Last Stand is what would happen if the survivors took a wrong turn. It was from someone official. Meaning it didn't happen! Imperialscouts 20:26, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Chet said that Last Stand was if the survivors took a wrong turn, them dying at the end of it is not canon to l4d's 5 campaigns. Regulust 18:18, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, but WHERE? I'd like a link or a magazine name. Something. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:30, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll look for it. It was a while ago though... Imperialscouts 19:28, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, on the article for the Last Stand, it mentions it in the notes section, claiming Chet said it. No real links though... I'll keep trying. Imperialscouts 22:04, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't find it. I've managed to find several allusions to it, mostly on forums that are debating this same issue. Someone said Official Xbox magazine comfirmed it but I've been up and down that site and found nothing. Sorry guys. Imperialscouts 00:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget that out of all of L4D's campaigns, only No Mercy and Crash Course have continuity. I've always regarded the other three campaigns and Last Stand to be alternate realities. P0lar bear 19:13, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Well, currently they don't have coninuity, Personally, I think Blood Harvest is the last campaign though. (In l4d)--Prof. 15:19, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention that there are Survival options for all the others campaigns as well, which, assuming that Last Stand was canon, would mean that all of those were technically canon as well. Last Stand is really a 'What If', Fanfiction-ish idea at best. Nice story, but doesn't really affect the characters. Wave Maker 02:14, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

what would the best left4dead1 and left4dead2 suvivor combo be??? 4 coop i mean.
i think it would be zoey,francis,nick,ellis. halflife2guy :)
 * Nick, Nick, Nick and Nick.

lol no it would be zoey,zoey,zoey,zoey !!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!

Zoey, Ellis, Nick and Coach Regulust 07:16, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Zoey, Louis, Ellis, and Francis! (I'm totally NOT partial to the original survivors or anything...><) nightmirage

Zoey, Ellis, Nick, Louis.

Bill (He definatly has leadership SKILLZ), Ellis (coz he's my favourite character xD), Zoey ( for *drool* repopulation) and Louis (he supplies the PPiiLlLlz) Sabrelord 06:45, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Louis, Nick, Bill, Francis. I don't really like the other new survivors as much as the others.

Melee weapon
I am almost certain it will be the Riot Shield. Regulust 07:14, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * With no riot cops in sight? Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  07:16, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

How can you be almost certain? You have no evidence to support that. It will probably be something that isn't found in the game files. Also, probably a common item, and riot shields aren't very common.--With care and happiness, <font color="Black">'Cut Off You Nose To Spider-Face <font color="Maroon">450 <font color="Indigo">DO IT! 18:51, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

C'mon SMS! Let the boy enjoy the life ^^ <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 22:14, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Life? What is The Life? Is it a Spy?--With care and happiness, <font color="Black">'Cut Off You Nose To Spider-Face <font color="Maroon">450 <font color="Indigo">DO IT! 22:35, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a freakin' cake! <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 00:25, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the cake a Spy? MY RIVAL IS A CAKE? DAMN IT!--With care and happiness, <font color="Black">'Cut Off You Nose To Spider-Face <font color="Maroon">450 <font color="Indigo">DO IT! 00:39, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Peek-a-boo!

Well, I honestly don't think it's gonna be the riot shield. It takes up half the screen, and there's already been a riot uncommon common, maybe add it to The Parish. I think it could be the MP40 and the knife. I've seen a video of a guy with an MP40 and a knife for weapons. And it seemed pretty cool.CHARG3R 21:42, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

new weapon is a mp5 new melee is a lead pipe new uncommon is a civil war reenactment soldier forgot to sign in its totemtrouser
 * You have any proof to back this up? They all sound...semi-plausible to me. A H&K MP5, while not overly exciting, would probably be a practical weapon; a lead pipe...yeah, sure, why not. And a Civil War reenactment soldier? Seeing that they're in the South, that could potentially work. (I'd assume most of them would be Confederates, of course. XP) But, again, do you have any proof, or is this just speculation on your part? --Dan Dark 20:50, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

alll speculation the mp5 is in all the posters and the german version of the game so i guessed it be a good wepon the lead pipe is a easily found item and idk how a civil war guy would effect the game buts all i could thing of 24.14.44.202 21:45, January 17, 2010 (UTC)totemtrouser24.14.44.202 21:45, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I could think of for a melee weapon would be a shovel. Mainly because they've used all of the practical TF2 melee weapons (axe, machete, baseball bat) except for the shovel.Captainium 20:03, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Someone said it can't be the riot sheild because it's uncommon. But now a katana isn't exactly common is it? And I heard somewhere there was originally supposed to be a flare gun in the game. If they modled it after the TF2 version then it would be like an incidenary grenade launcher. Like say the grenade launcher is the explosice ammo, then the flare gun is the incidenary? Idk. That was full of spelling errors. MrJoe95 04:27, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

New gametype?
I've been wondering what this'll be. My guess is a 4 vs. 4 team deathmatch game. The L4D survivors vs. the L4D2 survivors. And while they're all fighting, the Infected would also be trying to kill them. I've also been thinking of 4 vs. 4 vs. 4, with the same concept but other players can control the Infected. It's TF141 vs. Shadow Company vs. Ultranationalists all over again! Niel15

I guess coop isn't deathmatch... And no. Just no. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 13:26, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

an EPIC BATTLE between the forces of suvivors and the forces of zombies in one last show downhalflife2guy

How about a mode like Versus except each team of Survivors tries to get to the Checkpoint/Saferoom first. if both teams die it's based on how far they got and it could be playable on all difficulties. Good idea? CloudReaper 19:25, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Dialouge?
I can only imagine what the originals' reactions to the new infected will be. Anyone?

Holy $#&%!! What is that thing! That... Thing... It-it... I dont wanna talk about it. I hate long necked zombies. I hate overalls. Hey! Someone I can relate to! I hate things that hump. thats all I can think of for the originals. At the moment.--Prof. 17:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nick: I hate coesters. Francis: Wait a sec-I'M THE ONLY ONE ALLOWED TO HATE THINGS! <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 18:32, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Zoey dies* Everyone except Rochelle: Nooooooooooooooooooo! Rochelle: I'm still here! Guys: Meh.

More like this: *Zoey dies* Everyone except Rochelle: "No!! Zoey! Why?!" Rochelle: "Don't worry, guys, I'm still alive!" Everyone else: "DAMN IT." -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 21:49, January 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why must everyone be hating on Ro? Just because she doesn't say a whole lot (And even this is untrue, as she speaks plenty) doesn't warrant hating her. She has done nothing to deserve all this hate.--With care and happiness, <font color="Black">'Cut Off You Nose To Spider-Face <font color="Maroon">450 <font color="Indigo">DO IT! 01:29, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I don't hate her... I just don't like her. I don't dislike her either. I'm completely neutral on her character. Imperialscouts 01:43, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

To be fair, Rochelle would have had to have been completely amazing beyond all reason to compete with Zoey. And since she's not people hate on her. I like Rochelle plenty, but I think Zoey is ten times cooler than her.Nightmirage 18:10, January 14, 2010 (UTC)nightmirage

I hate Rochelle cause she screws up all the time. But, how can you hate a girl with such a nice ass?


 * Real classy anonymous. Nice to know so much thought goes into whether or not the characters are cool. Imperialscouts 14:27, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Zoey dies*

Nick: There goes repopulating the Earth...

Rochelle: I'm still here...

Nick: Goddamn it, can't believe this...

Rochelle: Hey!

lol, it'd be sooooo funny if that happened...CHARG3R 22:01, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

*cricket*
We need more info on this DLC

* cat* Then go tell Valve that. -- Five Dog  <font color="RoyalBlue">Talk <font face="comic sans ms">Read 00:07, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

* moose* I just wanted to make an animal noise. --LazyLord777 02:39, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

* fat person* We'll see more info as it comes, valve's probably not even sure what they want to add. --AstralShapeShifter 08:39, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

* Tank rawrs* Until it comes out there will probably be some guy posting a rumor or 2. Lets hope I didnt jinx anything.--Prof. 15:34, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

* Gary Glitter* It's probably going to get cancelled </Pessimist> Nelo Angelo 97 17:03, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

* Kah-BEEAN!!!* I doubt it would get canceled, were already riled up enough.--Prof. 19:05, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * * Rapist* Hold on, I'm comin', i'm comin! Nelo Angelo 97 19:31, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

* Ellis* One time ma buddy Kieth and I were excited for the Midnight Riders' album to come out, so we build this here time machine to go into the future to when it comes out. But Kieth says there was a malfunction and we only went 1 second into the future. Which is very unlikely cause time machines don't really exist, except for that one movie were that kid and the mad scientist made a really cool fly'n car, but not as cool as Jimmy Gibbs' car right here. Speaking of which, I ever tell you bout the time...

* Coach* We ain't got time for this, Ellis

* Ellis* ...okay

* Giraffe* Dude, we can not pull information outta are asses. VaultGuru 19:52, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Uncommon infected
It might be Fallen Survivor. Molotov explosion replaced with something else or at least removed, of course. It would be cool that he is immune to headshots due helmet, or something.ŊυĐε 12:51, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be alot like the Construction Worker though? MrJoe95 04:19, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think the construction worker is actually immune to headshots. Imperialscouts 02:55, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I would say that an uncommon infected that drops items would be helpful ingame. But give them double health.CrazyWitchhugger 02:18, February 11, 2010 (UTC) The Construction Worker is unaffected by pipe bombs. 96.236.162.44 18:54, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChXxL9cdIpI 0:29 189.221.24.16 19:04, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Well, well, well.... I was right about that uncommon =D It was Fallen survivor! ŊυĐε 15:06, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

When is this coming out!
Oh my god!! It has been a good 4 months since this page was set up, and we still dont have any more information regarding what we are to expect!! We haven't even gotten an exact date as to when it will be released, but they did say earily spring so that should be very soon. So why aren't we getting anything? Honestly, have they even made this DLC yet?


 * Technically it's been 2 months. And it'll come out sometime next season. Just be patient. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  19:11, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * By 'next' season do you mean next year's spring, or the season coming after this one?
 * She means this year's spring. And spring isn't here yet. It could still be a month or two before it comes out. As Marten said, just be patient.

Whachamacallit 00:31, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, they (meaning Valve) said The Passing would be available in March... well it's March now, so the least they can do is update us with a date NewbieSim 03:55, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

here you go
I'm bad at summarizing so here is a article i found about the passing so here http://kotaku.com/5469905/left-4-dead-2s-the-passing-coming-march-followed-by-comic-more-l4d-dlc

forgot to sign its --Totemtrouser 22:44, February 11, 2010 (UTC)totemtrouser--Totemtrouser 22:44, February 11, 2010 (UTC)also i changed it myself anyway i might of missed some punctuation but i don't think i missed much (not that great with comas)

New Info
Apparently, the new survivors won't be face to face with the old survivors, much like Whitaker how he merely helped them through an obstacle so you can get by. So I guess the old survivors just simply cover you while you get to the rescue vehicle or help you out at a distance or even do what Whitaker did and clear the way.

...Darn it. I was scouring the pictures for Zoey. But it still looks awesome! Nightmirage 18:17, February 12, 2010 (UTC)nightmirage

Told Y'all...
That the Fallen Survivor was going to be the new Uncommon Infected.  Pikmin  1254 

кPoster
I really hope the poster isn't the official one as it's pretty ugly. Regulust 08:38, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I honestly think it is. I really really do. Ellis' neck is eff'd up, Coach has one arm and barely a wrist (plus his face was pretty much copied from The Parish), Rochelle looks weird (I like Rochelle so you won't see any "Hurp Rochelle is ugly) jokes from me.), and then the laziness of just copying the Survivors from Dead Air. Hell, look at Louis' leg! Who has a leg like that? It's a freaking rectangle. It also lacks a tagline. I think the biggest hint of all are the "credits" at the bottom. Believe it or not, those are unique for each campaign, and the credits here were taken from Hard Rain. So with all this evidence, I don't know why people keep assuming it's official when we only saw it on Destructiod (who use to think the Haggard was official need I remind you.) That's all I have to say about that. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:02, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

I cry when: angels deserve to die and when Chet confirms this poster to be official... Today i cried. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/x10-the-left-4-dead/61912 WardenerNL Feb 13, 2010, 13:53

...They copied the survivors from Death Toll, not Dead Air. Just thought I'd throw that in...Captainium 22:31, February 13, 2010 (UTC) I also just realised something else... The old survivors in the background don't have feet on their silhouette because it's from the Death Toll poster and you can't see their feet on that. Now that's just shoddy work Valve.Captainium 22:38, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyone got a pic of the poster? My computer is screwing up and I can't see what you're talking about. Imperialscouts 18:31, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

8 coop
Maybe it isn't an 8 coop mode, but 4v4 co-op mode? Just an idea. :S Powers38Talk 09:56, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Only three chapters?
Who the heck removed two TBAs on the chapters thing? Meeting the old Survivors there doesn't mean it ends there. Sorry if I sounded rude. Megaron 11:26, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did. I was reading up on multiple sources that there are only 3 chapters and the Survivors appear in the last one to help them escape. Here's proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnfVEty_bBQ Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  17:02, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Jo is right. I just watched the video and the play tester said there will only be 3 chapters.Ray 17:17, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Chubbyhug

Golf Club & Other Weapons
If a golf club is the alleged, new melee weapon, how do you think it will work? I think it will be like the crowbar and will only decapitate the part you aim at. As for the M60, do you think they will change the single magazine and give it more ammo? And speaking of that, where is a new gameplay video?

I hope there is a flame thrower though, it would take as long as a Molotov to kill a Tank. It should have gas, like the chainsaw, too. Pikmin  1254 

Hopefully both new weapons appear outside of The Passing aswell. Also the golf club decapitate something? Since when can you decapitate with a golf club? It'll be like the Tonfa or Frying Pan and will not decapitate. Regulust 01:52, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at the Baseball and Cricket bats. In real life, you couldn't decapitate someone with those. The golf club would have a better chance of doing so, as it has a heavy head, which is what you would hit infected with. It easily could be like the Nightstick or Frying Pan, but I doubt it.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 02:03, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

If you used enough force with a baseball bat or Cricket Bat you could decap someone. No amount of brute force using a golf club could decap anyone... It should be quite apparent. ಠ_ಠ Regulust 03:59, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

No, no one except, maybe (and I stress maybe) Mr. Galaxy could really decapitate someone with a Baseball Bat, Cricket Bat, or Golf Club. You would have the best chance with a club, though, as the part you would hit someone with is the heavy head, which would give you more momentum, and, therefore more force. But, in real life, you couldn't get a head off with one of these weapons. But, I would be really surprised if you couldn't get a CI's head off with a club.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 04:03, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised no one made a Tiger Woods joke yet. Pikmin  1254 


 * TO HUMOR YOU, Pikmin: (I hope everyone has heard about the recent scandals with Tiger, right?) The Survivors found him in the Happy Sex Shop. Not the kind of joke you were looking for, but a Tiger joke nontheless.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 23:46, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Upcoming DLC for L4D1-Companion to The Passing?
"An upcoming DLC for the original Left 4 Dead will tell how the original Survivors came into The Passing."

Wait, where did this info come from? I've watched the trailer like 80 times, and I didn't hear that. Where's the verification for this? 'Cause I hope it's true! Nightmirage 04:09, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

It was announced with the new screenshots from The Passing. More info when The Passing is launched.CrazyWitchhugger 04:38, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

They also announced it on the Xbox 360, in an interview about the The Passing. PD400 0:6:52, February 17, 2010

"Don't sweat it, Ellis. At least you got us out of that mall"
I have a question... the quote above is one of the responses that Nick says in the beginning if Dark Carnival... but isn't the Passing supposably after Dead Center and before Dark Carnvial? Are they going to erase that quote... or update it with a better one? 71.156.3.53 17:05, February 13, 2010 (UTC)NewbieSim

Maybe they escape from a mall at the end of the Passing?--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 23:14, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's simply a response to his idea for using the car in the first place, and that it got them away from Liberty Mall. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  23:23, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

It's pretty much what Jo said. Regulust 04:00, February 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dude, don't just say things to say things. --With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 04:04, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there is still one thing that contradicts The Passing. They left Dead Center with the stock car, and it ends up in Dark Carnival. Why would they leave it for The Passing only to use it to get to the next place? Zalbaag 21:47, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe they have to get out because something is blocking their way and then they get rid of the blockage o use the stock car again? Similar to Hard Rain. Regulust 05:33, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

When the L4D1 survivors appear.
The L4D1 survivors will meet up with the L4D2 survivors where they will set up Coach, Ellis, Rochelle and Nick up for the rest of the chapters, where they will meet up for the Finale.

It says so here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF98cRYLLs8

Someone deleted my previous edit regarding the first survivors meeting up with the second survivors. I have added it again. I haven't made it up and I have gave a link about, so I think it should stay. Hohenstaufen 18:43, February 14, 2010 (UTC)Hohenstaufen

Who keeps changing it to they will meet up in the third chapter?? Watch the video I have supplied above; On the video, Chet says he is starting from the second chapter because he doesn't want to show you the L4D1 survivors in the first chapters, as he wants you to get the full impact when playing. Watch the freaking video.


 * It is stated on multiple sources that the old Survivors meet the new ones in the first chapter, leave, and then reunite in the last chapter to help them escape. Watch more than just one video. ;) Jo 


 * the Marten [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  18:41, February 15, 2010 i have one little question why the hell cant


 * we play as the old suvivors? i need some proof that the new info is relative cause i thought that we could play as the old suvivors. if you cant then im sur as hell not geting this dlc!!!!!!!Halflife2guy 16:53, February 17, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy

It's Left 4 Dead 2 so it should go without saying you'd play as only the Left 4 Dead 2 survivors. Regulust 07:09, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Proof?
cam someone find proof for: In a gameplay video, you can see the Midnight Riders tour bus speeding across a street. This may mean the Midnight Riders are, like the Survivors, trying to escape, or the people in the bus may be the Left 4 Dead survivors. because i have never seen a bus in the videos i saw --Totemtrouser 01:39, February 17, 2010 (UTC)totemtrouser--Totemtrouser 01:39, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU4dw3VtxD4 if you look at it closely... just before the bus rushes past the garbage container... pause and you can see the "Midnight Riders" logo flash in white before proceeding behind the cement truck. NewbieSim 02:17, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Rochelle
I love how it says Rochelle looks like a man. Um, duh!! In gameplay, she looks everything like a man. Actually, she's more like a monkey.


 * Great. Why does this matter? Imperialscouts 21:15, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Who cares if it matters or not. Guys just trying to make comic relief. To be honest, I hate Rochelle, too.--FawkesGamer360 23:46, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

This isn't really contributing, is it? Hohenstaufen 12:43, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who gives a fuck man? Discussion pages aren't just about talking about stupid gay shit on how to improve the page. Man, why can't you guys just let the Discussion pages be a forum?


 * Actually, that's exactly what they're for. Don't believe me, go consult Wikipedia's "About" or "Terms of Use" Section. If you want a forum, we have one linked on the side bar. Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  16:21, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

It's not up to us whether this page is a discussion page and not a forum - if you don't like it, speak to the Administrators.

Hohenstaufen 20:10, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

So, who do you think is on the bus/want to be on the bus?
I think it could be the Midnight Riders - but I don't want it to be! I want it to be the Survivors! What an awesome way to arrive. But, judging by the video, I think it is the midnight riders, I can't imagine the survivors, driving around in a big illuminated bus honking the horn as the drive through streets of infected.


 * I thought the Midnight Riders were helivac'd, according to the hate message graffiti in the Safe Room of The Concert. Primal80s 15:58, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

PICTURES!
OMG! Haven't been here for 2 weeks I think, and now here are pictures! OMG I CANT WAIT ANYMORE! I WANT TO PLAY THIS D':

God damnit, forgot to sign ŊυĐε 14:33, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Do you know there are several videos regarding The Passing - not just photos? The link is above. Hohenstaufen 20:12, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
What the hell are you rageing for? I know that there are pictures AND videos, and I just said here are pictures now. I didn't mean " hey what the fuck? only pictures!? This site sucks" And I haven't searched videos from youtube because I didn't know we already have this much information of this DLC. Im not any fucking nolifer who searchs videos from youtube about DLC that haven't been released yet! ŊυĐε 16:22, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, chill out. No one was raging. It was just typed in bold. We don't need that kind of attitude on here. Nightmirage 18:08, February 19, 2010 (UTC) Nightmirage

Dude - I wasn't raging, I just typed it in bold to make it look neater. At what point did I say you thought this site sucks. You need to chill out before your attitude gets you into trouble.

Tagline?
Any ideas? "Good old times" came into my mind, because old survivors. Or something like that. Give your ideas! ŊυĐε 12:48, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe the silhouette of the old survivors takes the place of a tagline? Fadm tyler 15:32, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

"They're not dead yet." LazyLord777 17:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

"team up...or die" thats a cool one i thought of Halflife2guy 17:30, February 24, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy

"Team up, or lie down."

"They're dying to see/meet you." Agent Midnight 20:50, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

"The gangs all here" or "Just passing by"CrazyWitchhugger 07:54, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

My favorite is still "Misery loves company." The Game, Joe. 21:19, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Comic About the Original 4
Do we have any more info about this comic that's being released about the original survivors? I know Chet mentioned it in the interview and said it would show how they came to the area where The Passing takes place. Do we know if this is going to be an online thing or a legit comic that you can go get in a bookstore? Either way, I can't wait! Moar Zoey :-D Nightmirage 18:13, February 19, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage


 * He said it would be web comic, and the web comic will not show how the survivors got to the Passing. There's a DLC coming out a month after the Passing that will explain how the Survivors got there.Whachamacallit 18:57, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it's a month? Because I haven't heard anything about it and I'm too lazy to go look it up myself. LazyLord777 20:48, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm sure that it's a month.Whachamacallit 14:02, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Where did he say it's a web comic? I re-watched the interview, and he kept saying "comic book". Plus, do we know if the comic is supposed to come out at the same time as The Passing or between it and the new DLC? I'm just so full of questions. =P Nightmirage 00:50, February 26, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

He did say "comic book"? I just presumed it was a webcomic, but maybe it is a comic book. I don't recall the exact site where Chet said this, but I think it's one of the links on the Passing page. I gotta refresh my memory, hang on.Whachamacallit 14:05, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

3 Possibilities
Chet has stated in an interview that there will be one of three courses the campaign will take. One being Ellis having a crush on Zoey, talking about her throughout the campaign and somehow affecting the finale. (Aw I hope he doesn't get sad when they seperate. Ellis is my favorite character.), the second being some sort of confrontation between Nick and Francis. (Not friendly. Oh well, they're my two least favorite anyway.), and now to the buisness part of this, an unknown third. I heard somewhere a leadershuip struggle between Bill and Coach? But that would've only really worked if the entire group was together... Thoughts? MrJoe95 07:17, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

If I wanted a cliche and overhyped romance, I would have gotten Twilight. TheDesertFox 07:39, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Any chance you could show us the interview? How can we be too sure you're not just pulling that out of your ass, mate. MatthewLepore 12:31, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

--Oops, sorry, just found it :D Sorry about that, I woke up early this morning. MatthewLepore 12:34, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, I thought Chet said that in the beginning levels, there would be ONE of the scenarios that play out (ZoeyxEllis, Nick/ Francis, etc.) and then throughout the campaigns (depending on which one of the scenario was chosen by the Director) The characters would continue talking about what happened/ their thoughts (etc.) about it... during the 2nd and finale levels of the game. NewbieSim 16:14, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

-He Did. Sprry my wording was unclear. MrJoe95 23:55, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Personnally, I hope by god it won't be the first one. That's just so stupidly cliche. Or if it's that one, Zoey shows no sort of attraction to Ellis except in maybe a friendly manner. But the second one sounds quite commical.Whachamacallit 19:11, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree completely. You have echoed my thoughts down to the letter. Imperialscouts 21:16, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Don't yell at me, go yell at Chet. MrJoe95 19:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

I feel like Zoey really won't show any mutual attraction to Ellis. And I think that situation could be really funny because we all know how Ellis spins stories. I don't see why everyone's so upset about it. Nightmirage 04:49, February 21, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

I don't see what the big deal is. 1. Boys constantly hit on girls their age (some even not their age). So it's not like it's anything uncommon. And 2. It's a zombie apocalypse. To find someone in your age range that isn't a flesh eating zombie, it's no surprise he might be a bit overly releived. Gotta keep the species alive, you know. Jo the Marten ( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  05:04, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree with you. I'm pretty sure if you guys read some of the fanfictions or see the fanart of Nick/Ellis, you'll be begging to see some minor Ellis/Zoey in here. Probably an overeaction since I like my two favorites interacting like that, but seriously, the fanart and fanfictions are WAY too much @_@.


 * UGH. Don't remind me. Brings me back to my days as an Avatar fan (the TV show, has nothing at all to do with the recent movie)... the horror... come to think of it, that was another thing that annoyed me about this. I'm preparing for an explosion of Ellis/Zoey crap. Please note: I'm not 100% serious. Well, I am about the avatar thing. Imperialscouts 02:30, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was merely annoyed with the clichedness of it. More of a "oh brother" thing. Imperialscouts 05:29, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's perfect. I'd love to see Zoey get a bit weirded out by Ellis' advances.

I wonder how the finale will be, with them having to part. MatthewLepore 05:54, February 21, 2010

Okay... This is starting to get awkward. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 13:47, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'm think of him saying something like "Man, you smell nice... Like when Keith did when his girlfriend sprayed perfume in his eyes when he was late for their date. Smelled like daisy's for 3 weeks..." CrazyWitchhugger 07:58, February 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Stay focused, Ellis

Happy Sex Shop D:?
What were they doing there? Repopulation has begun! ŊυĐε 13:33, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

ellis/zoey go in there to have a little fun!!! XD Halflife2guy 18:26, February 24, 2010 (UTC)halflife2guy


 * I just KNEW someone was gonna make that joke... Imperialscouts 14:44, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

I feel Francis got to pick their shelter that time around...lolz Nightmirage 04:51, February 25, 2010 (UTC)Nightmirage

Ellis: OH MY GOD! IT'S SEX SHOOOOP! I HAVE to go there, just for a little while! Cooool! Look at all this awesome stuff! Hey, what is this?

Coach: Well... That's... Ellis, maybe we should go now... ŊυĐε 14:38, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ellis/Zoey? Nope. Nick/Zoey/Rochelle definately.--With care and happiness, <font color="Purple">Supermutantslayer450' <font color="Indigo">ROAR 23:41, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

... This gotten out of hand. Kindly shut up, please. Imperialscouts 05:05, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

.......I second that notion. It was funny until a threesome was brought in...then I got perturbedNightmirage 05:34, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Nick and Louis?
I was reading the notes of the passing and I saw something that caught my eye. It said nick and louis kiss. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but nick sure isn't gay(just look at his hickey and the lipstick on his suit) and louis doesn't seem gay either.Chubbyhug 19:43, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well the lipstick could've been a dude wearin- Okay, nevermind. Whoever wrote that was either joking around, made a mistake, or was making things up. Chet already explained what the possibilities for Survivor interactions were, and only Ellis having a crush on Zoey comes close to that note. Whoops! I forgot to sign in. This is Whachamacallit 128.135.113.75 19:50, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, I had a felling someone made it as a joke. I've seen alot of it around lately. One dude made a page on ancient hunters, another on L4D3. Come on, that WILL be deleted, so why would people do that?Chubbyhug 22:29, February 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Runs to a bathroom and pukes in the toilet. Heads out of the stall to see a boomer* "Some guy's were talking about Nick x Louis *Boomer runs to bathroom stall*
 * How come I've never met a Boomer polite enough to barf in a toilet not on me.LazyLord777 20:07, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Cost
I Hope this DLC will be free just like all previous ones.B-MAN 20:15, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

They will not meet face to face?
If they don't, how it is possible that Ellis has crush on Zoey, Nick and Francis have "friendly discussion" and everything if they never SEE each other.. AND, I'm sorry about that raging few days (weeks?) ago, I had bad day.... Sorry 10 million times... ŊυĐε 14:35, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's quite possible to be attracted to someone initially by their voice. Plus if Zoey is the first girl other than Rochelle that Ellis has heard of, I don't blame him for getting rather excited. As for Nick and Francis, I'm just assuming they're both just being their usual, snarky selves and end up pissing one another off before they even meet.Nightmirage 00:15, February 26, 2010 (UTC) Nightmirage

Ever seen the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead? The male survivors, Michael, Glen, Steve, CJ, Tucker, and especially the police officer Kenneth become good friends with Andy, the owner of a gun shop across the parking lot of the Crossroads Mall, where the survivors are holed up, despite never meeting in person until Andy becomes infected. Through the use of white-boards and walkie talkies, the Andy and the survivors play Chess, hunting games, and share information. MatthewLepore 15:24, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Where does it say they don't meet face to face? I thought they met in Chapter 1 and again in Chapter 3. LazyLord777 20:02, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

It might have been deleted or something, but I'm sure, that I read it from somewhere. It was in the notes section, or at the beginning of the article, but I'm too tired to search for it right now. I'm 99% sure about it, that the information is somewhere there (1% chance that it was my dream D:) ŊυĐε 13:43, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I found it now! It's in message named: New information. Read it. ŊυĐε 13:49, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry... It's: New Info. ŊυĐε 13:50, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Happy Sexshop
Okay... the store's name is actually "The Happy Sexshop", and not actually "Happy Sex Shop"...

Interestingly enough, I was so amused with this that I decided to google it, and I found that this store actually seems to exist: http://images.travelpod.com/users/sianeth/amsterdam07.1179960660.img_0116.jpg

any thoughts? could it be a reference to this sex shop on Amsterdam?


 * this is REALLY odd...and for some odd reason, it reminds me of Kill Bill's Pussy Wagon--Loub 12:29, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Guys this is a wiki... If you want talk about dirty things in the game use the forum. <font color="Yellow">Aratinga A. Ѭ 15:00, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well..Ignorance is REALLY a bliss...

what kind of dirty thing am I talking about? I am just pointing that "The Happy Sexshop" is probably a reference to a real life store; .there is nothing dirty about it, unless your mind is full of toxic waste and fish shaped stuff.

unlike some people, I think with my BRAIN, and not my GONADS...

And the image is also a safe link, there is no strong graphical content in there, I am just pointing out that it might be a reference to that store, it is relevant, safe and on-topic--Loub 15:09, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

About the sewers/drains
I know this is off topic but I think this is a bit of a running gag in the Left 4 Dead series. In No Mercy there was the sewers, the drains in Death Toll, the sewers are going to appear in the Passing, and also in the Parish there is the sewers [ or drains]. I actually felt like sharing this with you.


 * Or the fact that these towns/facilities have underground plumbing... Jo the Marten  [[Image:Mini Hunter.png|I dare you to click Mini Hunter|link=http://l4dwiki.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=venatorphile]]( Shriek )  ಠ_ಠ  03:38, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not only that but once the Passing comes out, we'll have to go through the sewers twice in both games. LazyLord777 01:01, March 6, 2010 (UTC)